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re: 1917 thread- SPOILERS SPOILERS
Posted on 1/21/20 at 8:53 am to Rep520
Posted on 1/21/20 at 8:53 am to Rep520
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I think you nail it with the ultimate feeling of the futility of it all. So many lives thrown away for so little.
I see people talking about why they didn’t see the plane and what not, I’d argue that it’s because they thought a plane is too valuable to risk.
I don’t think Cumberbatch even necessarily wanted to fight but was sick of not winning. Somme has just end months before where they lost 400k casualties to gain 6 miles. Cumberbatch’s line that was something to the effect “they will stop us today then we will go right over trench tomorrow” shows where he is at with war.
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:03 am to Dire Wolf
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by 1917 the patriotic spirit was dead
Spot on, at that point countries were cracking and soldiers in the field were on the brink of not being able to go anymore. The movie took place in April 1917 and had an open ending, unfortunately Passchendaele would begin in July and last until November wherein Haig lost an incredible amount of British soldiers. So as bad as it was in the movie, it only got worse.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:14 am to Rep520
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It’s also not her baby, just like the mission isn’t Schofield’s. He just got it dumped on him.
quote:I also think the woman and the child made him think about his own wife/children. Which I expected him to share that information with her. But then he realized that he had a mission to finish.
I saw it as a continuation of the conflict Schofield has between staying home and going back to the war. The woman and child were a temporary home that he had every reason to consider staying with. At the end, he even realizes it's dawn and he's probably too late.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:15 am to Damone
quote:My grandmother's brother was an ambulance driver for the BEF. He ended up with what today we would call PTSD (I can't remember if shell-shock was the term used in WW1 or didn't come about until WW2).
at that point countries were cracking and soldiers in the field were on the brink of not being able to go anymore
I don't remember what year, but his ambulance had an artillery shell hit near it. His co-driver was killed - took a piece of shrapnel in his chest. My great uncle apparently removed the fragment and carried it with him for years after.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:22 am to Damone
The amount of detail and planning that went into shooting this was pretty crazy. One of the interviews I saw with the lead actor said they practiced all the scenes for 6 months before they even started shooting.
How '1917' Was Filmed To Look like One Shot | Movies Insider
How '1917' Was Filmed To Look like One Shot | Movies Insider
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:06 am to JBeam
quote:That was something I was thinking about afterwards. How hard would it have been for the editors to edit some of those pieces together. Everything would have to be the same from take to take - not just with the main actors, but all of the action in the background. If just one thing was off, or one person was a little bit out of place, it would stand out like a sore thumb.
The amount of detail and planning that went into shooting this was pretty crazy. One of the interviews I saw with the lead actor said they practiced all the scenes for 6 months before they even started shooting.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:43 am to PJinAtl
quote:I kept searching for spots where the director would be able to edit and start a new sequence. I couldn't detect many of them.
That was something I was thinking about afterwards. How hard would it have been for the editors to edit some of those pieces together. Everything would have to be the same from take to take - not just with the main actors, but all of the action in the background. If just one thing was off, or one person was a little bit out of place, it would stand out like a sore thumb.
Another thing that was awesome was how quickly they were in the shite. I think I looked at my watch at about the 18 minute mark and they were already in the German bunker. That is - it was exactly 18 minutes of real time since they had been awakened and ordered on this mission to hell.
Did anyone else notice the height of the bridge he stumbled off of into the river? You could see it in the background when he was like 1/4 mile down the rapids. I was hoping they would show a brief glimpse of the waterfall, but I don't think they did.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:14 am to Big Scrub TX
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Another thing that was awesome was how quickly they were in the shite. I think I looked at my watch at about the 18 minute mark and they were already in the German bunker.
One of the reasons 1917 works is that the plot is simple but propulsive. I was so glad they didn't give us flashbacks or any of the other war movie stuff.
The plot moves with the action and the characters develop through the action. Some of the most effective war movies do that, like Saving Private Ryan.
The plot is mirrored off the mission, and straightforward. The immediate momentum of the film grabs you, and it does a great job showing you the subtlety of the characters without needing to break stride to do it.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:26 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:Any time the scene when all dark or close to it. When actors weren’t seen momentarily like when walking behind a tree or when the water crashed up and you lost him. I noticed them plenty but only because I know what to look for. The transitions were done so well with the character not breaking stride. And the sounds being completely in sync. It was very well done.
I kept searching for spots where the director would be able to edit and start a new sequence. I couldn't detect many of them.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:39 am to ell_13
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Any time the scene when all dark or close to it. When actors weren’t seen momentarily like when walking behind a tree or when the water crashed up and you lost him.
Also, any landscape pan or establishing shot. Like at the farmhouse when the camera pans to show the farmhouse from the point of view of Blake and Schofield.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:15 pm to Rep520
One thing so noticeable was that the camera never stopped moving. Hardly any still shots which makes the transitions even tougher. Even getting a pan shot to use for transition will be tough for lighting, background (clouds).
Posted on 1/21/20 at 2:56 pm to ell_13
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tough for lighting, background (clouds).
Yep, Deakins said one of the most annoying parts of filming was constantly having to wait for cloudy skies for continuity
Posted on 1/21/20 at 4:05 pm to jg8623
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Deakins said one of the most annoying parts of filming was constantly having to wait for cloudy skies for continuity
It did look like they manipulated light a bit too for continuity. In the vid above about the filming, you can see parts of the night chase being filmed in what looks like daylight.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:37 pm to WWII Collector
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WII Collector
I think this individual might actually be retarded
Posted on 1/22/20 at 10:32 pm to Lawyered
I got some thoughts after just getting out
Why didn’t they just fly a plane over there, land in a field, and tell them not to attack?
Why did the two main characters immediately go into the craters after being told not to and also being warned they would not be able to get out if they did?
Why did we not hear the trucks and soldiers on the road right outside the house where the one main character dies? It was like they were there the entire time taking leaks and smoking cigarettes while the main character is bleeding out.
I found it odd they pull up to the bridge that is destroyed, get out and chat and nothing happens until he gets near the bridge. Apparently the town was full of Germans and none shoot at the trucks or soldiers across the river...
Why does the main character even go upstairs to confront the guy he shot in the window instead of just bypassing it after shooting him from the steps?
Why is he so bad at moving stealthily through the town?
Why does he not swim to the edge before getting to the tree and having to climb over dead bodies?
Was he in the same river he crossed to get in the city? If so he left the water on the left side which means that he never really needed to cross the river into the city....
How many miles was he supposed to have traveled? It all felt so close together and unbelievable since it was filmed in one continuous scene and he had so many things slow him down.
There are other things that bothered me as well but cant think of them right now.
I was honestly disappointed and thought this was no where near as good or believable as Saving Private Ryan.
Why didn’t they just fly a plane over there, land in a field, and tell them not to attack?
Why did the two main characters immediately go into the craters after being told not to and also being warned they would not be able to get out if they did?
Why did we not hear the trucks and soldiers on the road right outside the house where the one main character dies? It was like they were there the entire time taking leaks and smoking cigarettes while the main character is bleeding out.
I found it odd they pull up to the bridge that is destroyed, get out and chat and nothing happens until he gets near the bridge. Apparently the town was full of Germans and none shoot at the trucks or soldiers across the river...
Why does the main character even go upstairs to confront the guy he shot in the window instead of just bypassing it after shooting him from the steps?
Why is he so bad at moving stealthily through the town?
Why does he not swim to the edge before getting to the tree and having to climb over dead bodies?
Was he in the same river he crossed to get in the city? If so he left the water on the left side which means that he never really needed to cross the river into the city....
How many miles was he supposed to have traveled? It all felt so close together and unbelievable since it was filmed in one continuous scene and he had so many things slow him down.
There are other things that bothered me as well but cant think of them right now.
I was honestly disappointed and thought this was no where near as good or believable as Saving Private Ryan.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 10:45 pm to Hudson00
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Why didn’t they just fly a plane over there, land in a field, and tell them not to attack?
Runners were the single most effective way to communicate in wwi. That’s why.
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Why did the two main characters immediately go into the craters after being told not to and also being warned they would not be able to get out if they did?
They were warned to be careful. The entirety of no mans land is craters.
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Why did we not hear the trucks and soldiers on the road right outside the house where the one main character dies?
When something tragic happens irl, your entire focus is on that. The world around you disappears.
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I found it odd they pull up to the bridge that is destroyed, get out and chat and nothing happens until he gets near the bridge. Apparently the town was full of Germans and none shoot at the trucks or soldiers across the river...
I agree here. The sniper that was popping shots as he crossed had a high ranking officer out in the open and didn’t take the shot.
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How many miles was he supposed to have traveled? It all felt so close together and unbelievable since it was filmed in one continuous scene and he had so many things slow him down.
I mean, the movie is over a roughly 20 hour span..... it’s quite obvious that there were jumps.
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was honestly disappointed and thought this was no where near as good or believable as Saving Private Ryan.
You’re pushing mighty close to being as crazy as wwii collector.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:07 pm to beerJeep
No need to get offended, it was my personal opinion of the movie. I went in really hoping to like it but several things had me shaking my head. I really feel that filming it all as one shot made me think of the movie in a way I usually dont with others and I was nitpicking details that in other movies I would have let slide.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:35 pm to Hudson00
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Why didn’t they just fly a plane over there, land in a field, and tell them not to attack?
A plane in WW1 is more valuable than 1600 men.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:55 pm to Hudson00
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Why didn’t they just fly a plane over there, land in a field, and tell them not to attack?
Planes were very new technology in WWI and not particularly reliable. Heck, WWI began about 10 years after the Wright Brothers flew the first plane ever.
They began using planes for reconnaissance, and later the the war, fighter planes and bombers became a thing. Using planes for transport really didn't exist.
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:00 pm to Hudson00
I'll accept that a small team setting out on foot was the best way to get the message to the other battalion back then, in that situation.
What I don't understand is when the guy was picked up by the convoy, and when he said he didn't have time to take the detour and had to cross at the broken bridge, why they didn't send a squad to help him. He was trying to save 1,600 men from an ambush, and they let him set off alone! I get that they had their own orders, but saving the lives of so many fellow soldiers seems like a good excuse to adjust their plan.
What I don't understand is when the guy was picked up by the convoy, and when he said he didn't have time to take the detour and had to cross at the broken bridge, why they didn't send a squad to help him. He was trying to save 1,600 men from an ambush, and they let him set off alone! I get that they had their own orders, but saving the lives of so many fellow soldiers seems like a good excuse to adjust their plan.
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