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re: Why is the Bayou Classic televised on NBC?
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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did we elect a black president in like 1975?
HBCUs haven't been relevant, sports-wise, for decades now. it has nothing to do with obama
I realize this isn't the PT board, but you missed my point entirely.
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Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:34 am to trackfan
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but you missed my point entirely.
i get your point, but it was a horrible way to phrase it. HBCUs haven't been relevant to the elite black athlete for decades
but to your larger point...yes. HCBUs have no place in american society anymore. they're actually a huge drag and a drain of money (both on the black community and for public funds) on society. society has progressed WAY past HBCUs
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:36 am to trackfan
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If race relations have improved to the point that this country will elect a Black President, that means that they have also improved to the point that the best Black athletes will no longer feel any obligation to sign with HBCU's
Not to hijack this thread but this is one of the overlooked reasons in the turnaround at LSU after the 90s. Inside the black community, many blacks in the state of Louisiana viewed LSU as the "white school" & preferred that their kids not go there. Times change along with old fashion ways of thinking. That opinion is still there but instead of being a roar, its just a whisper.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:39 am to BigBrod81
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after the 90s. Inside the black community, many blacks in the state of Louisiana viewed LSU as the "white school" & preferred that their kids not go there.
yeah FSU and Miami aren't totally white schools, especially Miami
LSU just had recruiting problems for a few coaches before dinardo. LSU got plenty of black athletes, but we had problems in Nola. that's a big reason why Marquise Hill is one of the most important recruits in LSU history. hell, we still have problems with Nola kids. those kids still go to "white" schools if they don't choose LSU though
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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i get your point, but it was a horrible way to phrase it. HBCUs haven't been relevant to the elite black athlete for decades
but to your larger point...yes. HCBUs have no place in american society anymore. they're actually a huge drag and a drain of money (both on the black community and for public funds) on society. society has progressed WAY past HBCUs
Like I said earlier, you missed my point, and I also disagree with your analysis of the larger issue of HBCU's, not to be conflated with with HBCU football.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:44 am to quail man
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you know this because you work for NBC?
It's D1-AA football. Even at Southern's best when they were winning HBCU titles they only hit the mid teens in 1-AA rankings. The quality of footballl is poor. Combine that with a shrinking following and a small target audience to begin with you must have low ratings.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:45 am to trackfan
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and I also disagree with your analysis of the larger issue of HBCU's,
well the private schools can do what they wish
public HBCUs are a drain. they aren't productive because they waste public resources on so many bad students, and the good students could spend their money on much better schools
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:46 am to trackfan
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the early 70's when Black college football was in its heyday and Grambling was sending more players to the NFL than any SEC school.
I remember those days, Track. Got to meet Eddie Robinson at Maxwell's Restaurant in Ruston back in the late 70s.
But even in their heyday black colleges had a huge problem with depth. IE, in a given year Grambling might have 3 guys in the starting lineup with NFL in their future. But at least 5 starters had no business playing football. And the second string was something you didn't want to talk about.
SEC schools had guys who knew they wouldn't see the field until they were juniors or seniors and they still knew the NFL would look at them. David Woodley of LSU is a good example.
Facilities were also a big issue in the decline of black college football. By the late 70s if a top black FB player visited the locker room at LSU and then the locker room at Grambling the recruiting war was over.
BTW, enjoy your posts. Happy Holidays to you and yours.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:46 am to BigBrod81
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Not to hijack this thread but this is one of the overlooked reasons in the turnaround at LSU after the 90s. Inside the black community, many blacks in the state of Louisiana viewed LSU as the "white school" & preferred that their kids not go there. Times change along with old fashion ways of thinking. That opinion is still there but instead of being a roar, its just a whisper.
Good point! What I've seen change over the last 30-40 years is the attitude of older Blacks, who grew up in the Jim Crow era. A lot of them were once Southern season ticket holders, who despised LSU, but many of them have dropped their season tickets and now follow LSU football more closely than Southern football. In the last few years, I've seen Blacks in the 70's wearing LSU shirts. Once upon a time, that would have been a sure way to get derided as an Uncle Tom in the Black community.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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yeah FSU and Miami aren't totally white schools, especially Miami
Those are out of state schools which many in the black community historically knew nothing about. All they knew is that they were TV every week & their coaches wanted them to play for their schools.
People in the black community knew all about LSU because it was in their own back yard & many resented the university with a passion.
You can laugh all you want. I don't care how many so called black friends you had or where you lived, this topic would not have been discussed in your presence. I know for a fact because I heard the topic over & over again growing up.
This post was edited on 11/25/12 at 11:14 am
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:50 am to BigBrod81
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Those are out of state schools which many in the black community historically knew nothing about.
dude it's not like miami is some big secret. it's all super rich white kids. harvard of the south. hell even the actual guys from the city of miami were shocked when they'd go to U of M. LA kids weren't just going there blind
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I don't care how many so called black friends you had or where you lived, this topic would have been discussed in your presence.
i grew up in SWLA. we didn't have the societal, race-based dick measuring contest that SELA is obsessed with
it was McNeese, LSU, or Texas A&M in those days
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:51 am to trackfan
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trackfan
You are a very intelligent man. I see that you understand exactly what I am talking about.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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dude it's not like miami is some big secret. it's all super rich white kids. harvard of the south. hell even the actual guys from the city of miami were shocked when they'd go to U of M. LA kids weren't just going there blind
It is for people who may have barely had a TV back then or never been out state before. The blacks in Miami knew all about their university because it was in their own backyard. It wasn't until the Hurricanes started getting the black kids in the city of Miami to go there, that they became a national power.
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i grew up in SWLA. we didn't have the societal, race-based dick measuring contest that SELA is obsessed with it was McNeese, LSU, or Texas A&M in those days
Trust me, this type of thinking wasn't just isolated to SELA but statewide. Since you weren't exposed to this, you should stay out of this conversation & stick to the topics you know more about.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:06 am to GeorgeTheGreek
The Bayou Classic on TBS. Very funny.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:08 am to Lester Earl
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46k is what was reported
When I turned teh game on the upper deck was empty and the second level was empty after the goal lines.It was pretty bad
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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nationally nobody gives a frick about HBCU football
Not true, I can speak from experience when I say that those two schools have alumni and students from all over the country. It's even bigger in the MEAC. It's not the best football, but it has alot of tradition behind it. BTW This game gets more attention nationally, than any two other shitty teams in the state of La. could ever dream of getting.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:20 am to Lester Earl
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46k is what was reported
More than the NOLA bowl last year
2011 New Orleans Bowl
attendance- 42841
LINK
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:21 am to BIGDAB
According to the service industry 42841>46000
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:23 am to BIGDAB
This abortion of a game needs to be on BET where it belongs
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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yeah FSU and Miami aren't totally white schools, especially Miami
It's different when you are talking about out of state, but La players weren't going to those schools until the 90's when they were elite powers. Before that they were going up North, Nebraska, UM, ND. Yeah, those schools where majority white, but they weren't keeping your kids out because of race like the home state school if you get what I mean. In the case of Miami, when Schnellenberger started it rolling, the team was almost all white, but he was willing to give the local kids a chance, that was big to many in the black community from what I've read.
Its not just La, Texas did not recruit well in the inner city until Mack Brown. When UH joined the SWC in the 70's they did well early in part because they were able to get some inner city kids.
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hell, we still have problems with Nola kids. those kids still go to "white" schools if they don't choose LSU though
NOLA was always split on LSU anyway. LSU was always the most popular team, but by plurality lots of people there did not grow up LSU fans. It's different now, but you still have lots of people black and white that are not big LSU fans. I've also heard the bad blood btwn LSU and the black community in NOLA was due to LSU's handling of a St Aug kid that got hurt. Supposedly the St Aug coach at the time (mid to late 70's?) felt LSU treated him wrong and SA had a lot of sway.
But yeah, outside of K Faulk, Hill is the most important recruit for LSU in the last 20 years.
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