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re: Why do the Big Ten and others not force Notre Dame to join or die?

Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:36 am to
Posted by lepdagod
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:36 am to
I could imagine the logistical nightmare it is adding Notre Dame in football … I’m sure they’ll still demand to be quasi-independent as for as traditional games in such
Posted by Cell of Awareness
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:38 am to
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Fun fact: Notre Dame plays 3 away games next year- North Carolina, Purdue, and Syracuse.


And the MOU starting next year puts them in easier than any team in football.

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Posted by Dr RC
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:40 am to
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They were dead and had no path to a TV deal that would enable them to compete.


That's not really true but go ahead and tell yourself that if it makes you feel better about the Big 10 being the villain.

Posted by Cell of Awareness
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:44 am to
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That's not really true but go ahead and tell yourself that if it makes you feel better about the Big 10 being the villain.



The PAC 12 was STUPID enough to join.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:46 am to
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usc6158


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Not a single game on the schedule going forward.


USC fan trying to duck ND just like their pussy coach. Go figure.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:46 am to
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Why do the Big Ten and others not force Notre Dame to join or die?


The SEC and Big10 can do nothing to force ND to join a conference. Only the ACC can. IIRC ND's deal with the ACC states that if the Irish join a conference for football before 2036 it has to be the ACC. IF the ACC wants to survive after its GOR expires then it needs to force ND to join.
Posted by JamalMurry27
Tennessee Titans
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:47 am to
Hopefully usc sucks so they can’t even count them
Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:48 am to
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And the MOU starting next year puts them in easier than any team in football.


The committee would just have manipulated it to move ND below 12 this year if that was in place, once they decided it was Bama and Miami. It’s meaningless.
Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
38546 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:52 am to
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USC fan trying to duck ND just like their pussy coach. Go figure.



Join a conference and schedule the game in September like everyone else or don't expect special treatment.
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:05 am to
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That's not really true but go ahead and tell yourself that if it makes you feel better about the Big 10 being the villain.

Go back and take a look at the Pac12 in 2021 when media negotiations ramped up. First, their aim was the big 12s contract value, which Texas and Oklahoma had fled.

This would put the 4 marquee players on a media level with Iowa State. Their leadership declined a good offer from ESPN and ESPN walked away. That was the point when USC and UCLA took a look around and said, we here to compete nationally, not prop up Utah and Arizona State.

Oregon and Washington weren’t going to sit back and play charity for a bunch of schools with marginal fan interest. West coast football ratings are terrible.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 11:08 am
Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
Member since Dec 2007
36422 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:14 am to
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If they burn the bridge with ACC, which they seem all in on doing, the P4 conferences need to fully black ball them until they join a conference. Not a single game on the schedule going forward.


Sankey wants ND to be independent. Better that than having them join the B1G. Big 12 and ACC don’t have enough power to force anything.

Individual schools / programs are going to do what they want. There’s benefit to playing ND, in terms of ticket prices/exposure, and a resume boost opportunity. For as much as Texas wants to complain about the Ohio State game, the ND game got Miami into the playoff. If everything else played out exactly the same but Miami played FAU instead of ND, they would not be in the field.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36328 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:36 am to
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And the MOU starting next year puts them in easier than any team in football.

Ask Florida about MOUs and how much they are worth
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
44896 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:19 pm to
You must be young. UM and ND hate each other. ND would join the SEC before the BIG.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
13418 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:27 pm to
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ND would join the SEC before the BIG.


Yes, the Big 10 is the logical conference to join, especially with USC in it now, but there is a nearly 100 year pissing match. Would almost consider it though. Would get USC, Michigan, Purdue, and Michigan St on the schedule every year.

I love the ND increased scheduling of SEC teams, especially now that UGA isn't scared to go above the Mason Dixon line.

Just had home and aways with UGA and TAMU. Then have scheduled:
-Arkansas this season and they come to South Bend in 2028.
-H/A with Auburn in 2027 and 2028.
-H/A with Texas in 2028 and 2029.
-H/A with Alabama in 2029 and 2030.
-H/A with Florida in 2031 and 2032

3 SEC teams in 2028, can't wait to see how that season we are told ND doesn't schedule anyone.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 12:29 pm
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34908 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:42 pm to
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If the Pac 12 would have signed that media rights deal instead of completely overvaluing that they were worth it would not have fallen apart.



By then it was too late. The "overvalue" was partially because that it what was needed to keep the conference competitive with B1G and SEC.

The PAC died because:

1. It could never poach Texas. This move might have saved it but they weren't going to let Texas have a LHN that they were sold on.

2. They kept ownership of the PAC Network. Where the SEC and B1G partnered with ESPN and Fox respectively, the PAC decided to keep total ownership of their network which made negotiating with cable companies extra tough. They should have sold half to Fox day one, which would have kept Fox interested in keeping the conference alive. I would argue the real date the PAC died was the day when DirectTV decided to never carry the network. That was the day this mistake was made obvious, they got greedy wanting all the upside of the network and were left with nothing.

3. They got arrogant about their location. They thought being isolated on the West Coast made them safe, so when USC started pushing for uneven payouts they told USC to frick off because no one imagined USC really had options due to geographic limitations. A USC in the Big 12 was ridiculous, and that was the only conference nearby. The B1G poach that ended it was maybe the single most stunning move in conference realignment to date.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 1:46 pm
Posted by YNWA
Member since Nov 2015
7143 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 2:20 pm to
Eaxct same topic has been going around for 30+ years
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