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re: Why couldn’t tom Osborne win a title until 1994?
Posted on 7/26/26 at 6:00 pm to Jalbow3
Posted on 7/26/26 at 6:00 pm to Jalbow3
I don't think people really understand Prop 48. Prop 48 made it harder to get dumb kids into school and eligible. Prop 16 made it slightly easier, but still harder than pre-48.
But none of those guys were partial qualifiers under Prop 48. They all played as true freshman, under the same initial eligibility rules everyone else was under.
But none of those guys were partial qualifiers under Prop 48. They all played as true freshman, under the same initial eligibility rules everyone else was under.
This post was edited on 7/26/26 at 6:08 pm
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Posted on 7/26/26 at 6:08 pm to Gravitiger
I think what made it harder for him was the rule they imposed after Devanney left
What NU would do is put the Walkons on scholarship, then take the players that were the true scholarship guys and switch them to work-study to get them more money and benefits. Devaney stockpiled players and won a couple using that in the 70's, then when Dr. Tom came along they changed the rule, rightfully so.
What NU would do is put the Walkons on scholarship, then take the players that were the true scholarship guys and switch them to work-study to get them more money and benefits. Devaney stockpiled players and won a couple using that in the 70's, then when Dr. Tom came along they changed the rule, rightfully so.
Posted on 7/26/26 at 6:12 pm to TexasTiger08
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This is it in a nutshell. Recruiting back then was more regional, and a team filled with guys from plains states wasn’t going to outscore Florida State or Miami down in the Orange Bowl.
Ironically, the only game Nebraska won against FSU and Miami in the ‘90s a white in-state FB was the hero with two TD’s.
Nebraska didn’t have to outscore Kerry Collins, Ki-Jana Carter, Kyle Brady, and Bobby Engram in 1994. They didn’t have to score on Charles Woodson and Michigan in 1997. Maybe they could have and maybe they couldn’t have. But getting a ring without having to actually do it sure as hell made the road easier.
Even in the 1994 (season) Orange Bowl, Nebraska was playing for a national title and snapping a seven game bowl losing streak while Miami was really just a spoiler. Think that might have made a difference in a snap or two that night?
Posted on 7/27/26 at 8:25 am to boston vol
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To his credit, he went for two.
Unpopular opinion: Nebraska should have kicked the extra point.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 8:32 am to JamalMurry27
NCAA began steroid testing in '86
And I believe Nebraska lost 7 straight bowl games in the late 80's/early 90's
Then he was able to recruit partial qualifiers to build his mid 90's powerhouse teams.
And I believe Nebraska lost 7 straight bowl games in the late 80's/early 90's
Then he was able to recruit partial qualifiers to build his mid 90's powerhouse teams.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 8:37 am to Gravitiger
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But none of those guys were partial qualifiers under Prop 48
But these guys were and made significant contributions to Nebraska's success
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Notable 1990s Partial/Non-Qualifiers
Michael Booker (Cornerback)
Christian Peter (Defensive Tackle)
Tyrone Williams (Cornerback)
Jared Tomich (Defensive End)
Jamel Williams (Linebacker)
Reggie Baul (Wide Receiver) [1, 2]
This post was edited on 7/27/26 at 11:38 am
Posted on 7/27/26 at 8:58 am to TexasTiger08
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Recruiting back then was more regional, and a team filled with guys from plains states wasn’t going to outscore Florida State or Miami down in the Orange Bowl.
Back then, the polls were dumber too. These days, a WAC team could never get to number 1. You couldn’t just be the best team and be #1, you had to wait for the current #1 to lose, and if they never did, you were out of luck, and you might not even play them in the bowl game
Posted on 7/27/26 at 10:32 am to RD Dawg
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Then he was able to recruit partial qualifiers to build his mid 90's powerhouse teams.
I don’t know that Osborne’s “pre-dynasty” teams get their due.
In the ‘80s and early ‘90s, Nebraska had Turner Gill, Mike Rozier, Roger Craig, Irving Fryar, Tom Rathman, Dean Steinkuhler, Dave Rimington, Neil Smith, Broderick Thomas, Johnny Mitchell, Will Shields, Trev Alberts, and others.
1982 Nebraska offense:
WR) Irving Fryar: 1st/1984
WR) Todd Brown: 6th/1983
LT) Randy Theists: Undrafted
LG) Mike Mandelko: Undrafted
C) Dave Rimington: 1st/1983
RG) Dean Steinkuhler: 1st/1984
RT) Jeff Kwapik: Undrafted
TE) Jamie Williams: 3rd/1983
QB) Turner Gill: Undrafted (CFL)
FB) Doug Wilkening: Undrafted
TB) Mike Rozier 1st/1984 (USFL)
1995 Nebraska offense
WR) Clester Johnson: Undrafted
WR) Reggie Baul: Undrafted
TE) Mark Gilman: Undrafted
LT) Chris Dishman: 4th//1997.
LG) Aaron Taylor: 7th/1998
C) Aaron Graham: 4th/1996
RG) Steve Ott: Undrafted
RT) Eric Anderson: Undrafted
QB) Tommie Frazier: Undrafted
FB) Jeff Makovicka: Undrafted
TB) Lawrence Phillips: 1st/1996
Posted on 7/27/26 at 11:55 am to Deplorableinohio
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shared with Michigan in 1995
That was 1997. The 1995 team didn't share shite and was one of the best of all time.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 12:31 pm to RD Dawg
quote:And I'm sure Nebraska isn't the only school that had 6 partial qualifiers over several years. They were playing by the same rules everyone else was able to. Dumbass Iowa fan just doesn't understand Prop 48.
But these guys were and made significant contributions to Nebraska's success
This post was edited on 7/27/26 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 7/27/26 at 12:45 pm to BradBallard
Oklahoma only became elite again because they raided Kansas State's coaching staff right before the biggest game they'd ever play in.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 2:54 pm to Gravitiger
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And I'm sure Nebraska isn't the only school that had 6 partial qualifiers over several years. They were playing by the same rules everyone else was able to
LOL.They had far more than that and while others in the Big 8 could do it no other school "institutionalized"
the rule like Nebraska and they were the ONLY Big 12 school that wanted to keep those standards in place.
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While all eight schools accepted these athletes, Nebraska became the face of the rule because they institutionalized it on an unprecedented scale. Head coach Tom Osborne famously created a specialized program to support, tutor, and finance "Prop 48" athletes, allowing them to pay their own way or receive alternative funding for a year before earning full athletic scholarships. [1, 2, 4, 5]
This came to a dramatic head during the 1995 formation of the Big 12 Conference. Led by the University of Texas, incoming members demanded a total ban on non-qualifiers. The subsequent vote passed 11-1. Nebraska was the single opposing vote
This post was edited on 7/27/26 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 7/27/26 at 3:22 pm to JamalMurry27
Because he was too proud/sporting to kick the extra point in 1984.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 3:47 pm to JamalMurry27
Would he have lasted long enough to get there in current times?
probably not because he wasn't getting paid $8 million a year
probably not because he wasn't getting paid $8 million a year
Posted on 7/27/26 at 3:58 pm to JamalMurry27
After the Natty teams of the early ‘70s, the Huskers continued to have very good football teams year in / year out throughout the 70’s, 80’s and early ‘90s.
Oklahoma with Switzer was just that good. And the Miami and Florida State teams were just too athletic and fast.
As someone already mentioned, Bobby Bowden hosted some Husker staff during an off-season and was gracious but pointed in his assessment / recommendation that Nebraska needed to focus on emphasizing speed to their defense.
Prior to that Nebraska defenses were always big and physical, but not very fast and it would always eventually catch up come bowl time.
On offense, Osborne was actually pretty creative with his “boring” I-formation power option offense and calling plays to set up something big way later on. Tommie Frazier was not only a very gifted option QB but he had that attitude to go with it that he was simply going to beat your arsse.
As good as the 90’s teams were, the best Husker offense I ever saw still remains the team in the early 80’s with Turner Gill, Irving Fryer and Mike Rozier.
That’s a team that should have won a title but it just wasn’t meant to be.
Oklahoma with Switzer was just that good. And the Miami and Florida State teams were just too athletic and fast.
As someone already mentioned, Bobby Bowden hosted some Husker staff during an off-season and was gracious but pointed in his assessment / recommendation that Nebraska needed to focus on emphasizing speed to their defense.
Prior to that Nebraska defenses were always big and physical, but not very fast and it would always eventually catch up come bowl time.
On offense, Osborne was actually pretty creative with his “boring” I-formation power option offense and calling plays to set up something big way later on. Tommie Frazier was not only a very gifted option QB but he had that attitude to go with it that he was simply going to beat your arsse.
As good as the 90’s teams were, the best Husker offense I ever saw still remains the team in the early 80’s with Turner Gill, Irving Fryer and Mike Rozier.
That’s a team that should have won a title but it just wasn’t meant to be.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 3:58 pm to Overbrook
I wonder if Osborne thought going for 2 wouldn't punish Nebraska? Considering that it would've been their first loss and everyone else already had a loss (#2 Texas was also undefeated but lost earlier that day in the Cotton Bowl).
Posted on 7/27/26 at 5:35 pm to GoGators1995
I think he just didn't want to be a wimp. Go for it, try to win the game.
But really, given that mindset, he should have gone for 2 when Nebraska cut the lead to 8. That would have effectively him 2 chances at it. Had he missed it when the lead was 8, he could have tried it again to tie the game, and looked like a hero.
That said, kick the extra point, and they win the championship.
But really, given that mindset, he should have gone for 2 when Nebraska cut the lead to 8. That would have effectively him 2 chances at it. Had he missed it when the lead was 8, he could have tried it again to tie the game, and looked like a hero.
That said, kick the extra point, and they win the championship.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 9:00 pm to Overbrook
What a wild day that was for CFB. #5 jumping to #1 after #2 and #4 lost even though #3 won.
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