re: Who’s the greatest quarterback of all time?

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It's really hard for me to go against Joe Cool and pick Tom Brady because both were so incredibly awesome in their respective careers and I really REALLY want them to be 1 and 1A.

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There’s a strong case for 1 and 1A. They’re very similar players, really. Both undersized with adequate arms but incredibly accurate, film junkies with off the charts intangibles. Similar college careers. Brady modeled himself after Joe in many ways.

People point to the rings but 80’s rules Brady’s career would’ve been half as long, and can’t imagine what Montana would have pulled off if he played in an era where he couldn’t get hit.

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There’s a strong case for 1 and 1A. They’re very similar players, really. Both undersized with adequate arms but incredibly accurate, film junkies with off the charts intangibles. Similar college careers. Brady modeled himself after Joe in many ways.

People point to the rings but 80’s rules Brady’s career would’ve been half as long, and can’t imagine what Montana would have pulled off if he played in an era where he couldn’t get hit.

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That's generally what I always go back to when I analyze the GOAT arguments for both, really I'm content with 1 and 1A tbh

Uncle Rico. He could throw a football over those mountains.

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Jesus Christ you people are morons

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Are you old enough to remember Montana at his peak? Serious question. If you were you’d know how similar he and Brady’s games are.

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But again the selective memories by those on this board who want so badly for Tom not to be tGOAT

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I literally have him at 1

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he has a plus arm

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So did Montana but neither have cannons of a Marino or an Elway. That was my only point.

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Tom Brady is 6’4

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Joe is 6’2

I meant undersized in terms of their frame, not their height.

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Saying Tom Brady played in a “soft NFL”

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I wouldn’t say that per se, but had the rules not been changed there’s 0% chance he plays much past 36 or so.

Montana’s career was cut short by injuries on hits that would never be allowed today.

It’s just not as simple as pointing the stats or the longetivity.

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On top of that are the amazing but grossly under appreciated advances in medical and overall fitness knowledge. In the 80s and ACL tear was considered an 18-24 month recovery, for RB a career ender. Now guys routinely come back in less than a year. Additionally the knowledge on training has drastically improved. Off season training was rare to non existent.

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so I guess in your mind he greatest football player ever has to have been someone in the past since anyone playing currently or in the future will have better training and medical staff is this correct? That’s the most lazy and asinine comment possibly in this whole thread. Is this true In all sports? Was tiger woods only better than everyone who came before him simply because he played when he did? How about Michael jordan I guess we will really just never know if he was as good those that played in the 60s since training was better in the 90s. Come to think of it I don’t see how you can say Montana was better than Bart Starr I mean he had way more training, nicer facilities, better equipment and lots of new pass concepts the older guys didn’t have guess Bart Starr and Joe Namath are the greatest ever. This take is so dumb it hurts

Marino had same problem as Elway. No running game or defense. Elway finally got one of those at the end of his career. Having Romo on D didn't hurt.


Gimme Unitas. Period. They were still breaking his records a few years ago and it took these souped up offense friendly rules to do it.

It is, and has always been, Dan Marino.

100% Tom. Probably Montana before him.

Yes, Tom played in an era where you couldn’t hit the QB for the most part, but still lost a season do to a hit. He also played in an era where he had to throw way more than ever before.

Curious how many times Tom/Montana had under 25 pass attempts in their first MVP season?

Some of this depends on how much you want to count college. Brady was at Michigan for five damn years and didn’t become the clear cut starter until the latter half of his senior year and was a sixth round pick. He didn’t start in high school until he was a junior and wasn’t that highly recruited.

Peyton Manning was both an anticipated superstar and legitimate superstar at every level every year he played. Three year starter in high school, prize recruit, four year college starter, All-American and Heisman runner-up, #1 pick, bunch of All-Pro and NFL MVP seasons.