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re: Who was better? Randy Johnson, greg maddux
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:00 am to go ta hell ole miss
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:00 am to go ta hell ole miss
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Staff was built to succeed in regular season. Glavine, Maddox and even Avery pitched to contact, which is great against average (relatively speaking) hitters, but when you pitch to contact against great hitters like in the playoffs and World Series it doesn’t work. Power pitchers were better suited for postseason.
You’re generally right but Maddux and Glavine’s postseason performances were not the reasons why the Braves didn’t win more World Series. It was their bullpen that always shite the bed. Blew two late inning leads against the Blue Jays in the ‘92 WS, lost two extra inning games to the Phillies in ‘93, blowing the 6-0 lead against the NYY in ‘96, and blowing late leads against the Yankees in ‘99. Essentially, the reason why the ‘90s Yankees were a dynasty and the ‘90s Braves were not is that the Yankees had Mariano Rivera and the Braves didn’t. Simple as that.
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 3:39 am to Perception
Maddux was the most durable with the most longevity (almost 1000 IP more than Johnson, over 2000 IP more than Pedro), but Pedro and Johnson were absolutely more dominant in their peaks
But half of this board is dumb Barves fans, so
But half of this board is dumb Barves fans, so
Posted on 3/29/19 at 4:20 am to Perception
Maddux imo. He had control of every single pitch he offered. There will never be another like him.
However, being a left handed batter, I would absolutely fear going up against Randy Johnson. Same with Chris Sale today. Both long, lanky guys who throw 3/4 and kinda throw across their body. I’d be on skates up there.
However, being a left handed batter, I would absolutely fear going up against Randy Johnson. Same with Chris Sale today. Both long, lanky guys who throw 3/4 and kinda throw across their body. I’d be on skates up there.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 6:06 am to Elwood9
Randy, and I’ll meet anyone at sonic who says otherwise.
In actuality, I’d say it goes like this:
-Peak season: Pedro
-Peak 5 season window: Randy
-Peak career: Maddux
In actuality, I’d say it goes like this:
-Peak season: Pedro
-Peak 5 season window: Randy
-Peak career: Maddux
Posted on 3/29/19 at 6:21 am to lsutigers1992
quote:
People act like strikeouts count for two outs or something.
Exactly.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 6:52 am to TH03
They do decrease advancing runners and sac runs
Posted on 3/29/19 at 7:28 am to FootballNostradamus
quote:
-Peak season: Pedro
-Peak 5 season window: Randy
-Peak career: Maddux
i was going to say something similar when i read the subject
Posted on 3/29/19 at 8:18 am to Perception
Pedro Martinez was so much better than the other two, it's ridiculous this is even a question.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 8:27 am to FootballNostradamus
quote:
In actuality, I’d say it goes like this:
-Peak season: Pedro
-Peak 5 season window: Randy
-Peak career: Maddux
I feel like this is the right answer... but they all had some phenomenal individual season and they all had ridiculous 5 or so year stretches.
Randy Johnson won 4 straight CY awards. Greg Maddux won 4 straight CY awards. Pedro won 3/4 and finished 2nd the other year to Clemens.
Career is pretty close between Maddux and Johnson, Pedro just didn't pitch long enough.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 8:35 am to LSUBoo
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I feel like this is the right answer... but they all had some phenomenal individual season and they all had ridiculous 5 or so year stretches.
Pedro had an absolutely insane run of from 1997- 2003
Lead the league in era 5 times. Highest era was 2.89 and 2.39 during that span
During height of roid era, in 1999 in 219 innings only gave up 9 home runs
Posted on 3/29/19 at 8:37 am to Perception
Johnson was power
Maddox was art
Pedro was in between
If I had to pick one for a game it’s Johnson
If I had to pick one for a season it’s Maddox
If I had to pick one for a playoff run it’s Pedro
Maddox was art
Pedro was in between
If I had to pick one for a game it’s Johnson
If I had to pick one for a season it’s Maddox
If I had to pick one for a playoff run it’s Pedro
Posted on 3/29/19 at 8:42 am to Perception
Maddux, finished what he started.
109 complete games, more than doubled Pedro's #s
109 complete games, more than doubled Pedro's #s
This post was edited on 3/29/19 at 8:43 am
Posted on 3/29/19 at 8:45 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:Dude you played ball so I shouldnt have to explain this to you
Have you seen what he got to throw at?
But to the other guy posting the graph as well
Maddux got a bigger zone because he had so much control he could throw and the catcher never moved an inch. Umps are humans, and humans eyes are effected by this when calling balls and strikes
If your argument is Maddux would not have been as good in 2057 when balls and strikes are called by robots, I guess I will concede your argument
This post was edited on 3/29/19 at 8:45 am
Posted on 3/29/19 at 8:45 am to Perception
This is like asking do you want a million dollars?
Or would you want a million dollars?
Or you can have a million dollars.
Or would you want a million dollars?
Or you can have a million dollars.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 9:05 am to Perception
Johnson was the most unhitable of the three
Posted on 3/29/19 at 9:41 am to lsupride87
quote:Oh come on.
If your argument is Maddux would not have been as good in 2057 when balls and strikes are called by robots, I guess I will concede your argument
He wouldn't be as good now.
I appreciate the hell out of how he could pepper spots to make the ump's zone bigger. Hell, when I was young and coming up we all were taught to do the same thing.
You throw 6, 7, 8 balls 3 inches off the outside corner and they'll eventually start to get called.
Doesnt seem like it works like that as much anymore. And having to throw your stuff over the plate to get a call is a big deal to me.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 10:01 am to ReauxlTide222
Johnson didn't really become a MLB regular until age 26 and didn't truly blossom into RANDY JOHNSON until he was 30. If he had been a better young pitcher (or if Montreal hadn't have kept in the minors for four frickin' years), he'd have the career stats to measure up with Maddux. It just took him longer to get there, though I do think he aged a bit better. He put up an ERA+ of 118 at age 44.
Maddux, by contrast, was a MLB regular at age 21 and was the best pitcher in baseball by age 26. He has a first half to his career where he essentially built an insurmountable career edge over Johnson. At their peak, I take Johnson, but Maddux got so great, so quickly. He had the better career because he looked like a pitcher. Johnson got jerked around because he was so big, and everyone thought he would break down (also, he was wild as hell early on... he was Nuke LaLoosh-esque)
Maddux, by contrast, was a MLB regular at age 21 and was the best pitcher in baseball by age 26. He has a first half to his career where he essentially built an insurmountable career edge over Johnson. At their peak, I take Johnson, but Maddux got so great, so quickly. He had the better career because he looked like a pitcher. Johnson got jerked around because he was so big, and everyone thought he would break down (also, he was wild as hell early on... he was Nuke LaLoosh-esque)
Posted on 3/29/19 at 10:05 am to Perception
There was another pitcher during era that won 7 CY Youngs, & two triple crowns.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 10:10 am to Perception
Johnson, no doubt.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 10:21 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:
Doesnt seem like it works like that as much anymore. And having to throw your stuff over the plate to get a call is a big deal to me.
It doesn’t work like that anymore because there are very few pitchers in the league that can do it.
Maddux would start a game on the black and by inning 3 had methodically moved the strike zone 3+ inches off the plate. He didn’t magically get those calls from umpires. It was a process and that process would succeed for as long as a human being is calling balls and strikes. Not to mention he could move his fastball both ways with control. Most everything he threw started in the strike zone.
Maddux would be just as good now as he was then.
This post was edited on 3/29/19 at 10:47 am
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