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Posted on 3/29/19 at 3:48 pm to lsupride87
I love this take that maddux was A only good because umps sucked and B the only person to ever get balls called strikes.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 3:49 pm to Perception
Greg Maddux he was a wizard on the mound. He could hit his spots like no one else.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 3:57 pm to Perception
Maddux for career. I'd hate to face Randy Johnson the most though. He reminds me of a tall, hard throwing lefty that would get wild at times during my youth baseball days (12-14 years old).
I felt like John Kruk against Randy Johnson when I had to face him. Being the leadoff hitter on my team was always scary because that pitcher would start games throwing all over the place.
I felt like John Kruk against Randy Johnson when I had to face him. Being the leadoff hitter on my team was always scary because that pitcher would start games throwing all over the place.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 4:19 pm to Elwood9
John rocker
Posted on 3/29/19 at 4:21 pm to Perception
quote:
Who was better? Randy Johnson, greg maddux
Or pedro martinez?
greg maddux duh
Posted on 3/29/19 at 5:36 pm to IS_IT_GAMEDAY
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How does that not get you multiple rings???
quote:
Wohlers
Posted on 3/29/19 at 5:42 pm to Perception
Maddux is my favorite pitcher of all time so I'm biased but Pedro in his prime is the best of all time
Posted on 3/29/19 at 10:18 pm to Byron Bojangles III
I would take Maddux simply because Braves are my favorite MLB team since 1982, but even I would have to admit he, as well as Tom Glavine, benefited from the extreme strike zone, or lack of a true strike zone during that era of baseball. What Maddux was absolutely best at was his ability to hit the mitt no matter where the catcher put it. He was the Brees of his time with his pin point accuracy. Because of that accuracy, I believe he was given the benefit of the doubt on many a calls.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:44 pm to Statsattack
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Him and Schilling are the two best playoff pitchers I saw
figure your too young to have seen Jack Morris
Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:55 pm to TH03
quote:I feel like you're the one who is confused.
Yeah a guy like Maddox would never ever adjust to the ump.
I swear this board gets dumber by the day.
I also don't think you understand the significance of having to put what you have to offer over the plate to get a call.
Bad calls happen. Pitchers luck out and benefit from bad calls.
But games and zones aren't dictated by pitchers peppering 4 inches outside anymore.
Maddox wouldn't be as good today.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:57 pm to Batabing
quote:WHAT AN IDIOT.
but even I would have to admit he, as well as Tom Glavine, benefited from the extreme strike zone, or lack of a true strike zone during that era of baseball.
Did you even watch baseball?
Posted on 3/30/19 at 3:16 am to ReauxlTide222
Maddox would be as good today. He was a tactician on the mound like no other pitcher had ever been. He was an expert on location and subtle speed changes. He coaxed more ground balls by adjusting both speed and location than any pitcher in the history or MLB. He made hitters put the ball in play to where he wanted the ball put into play. Tony Gwynn once said that Maddux was the only pitcher that he ever regularly faced that he could never figure out over years of at bats. Maddux was the best of all time.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 10:36 am to ReauxlTide222
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But games and zones aren't dictated by pitchers peppering 4 inches outside anymore.
Maddox wouldn't be as good today.
Repeating this over and over again doesn't make it true. Umpires are no better today than they were 30 years ago.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 11:54 am to SPEEDY
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It literally looks like he’s throwing a wiffle ball
Posted on 12/18/20 at 1:28 pm to SPEEDY
You're right about the game 4 in the '96 world series, blowing that 6 run lead...Wohlers was actually good that year was the weird thing. In '92, I'll give you game 2 in Atlanta. Reardon gave up a two-run homerun to Sprague to put the Blue Jays up 5-4. In game 3 though, they were tied 2-2 when Avery left.
In'93, game 1 Curt Schilling outpitched Avery. The Phillies closer gave up a run to tie it up in the top of the 9th, but the Phillies won in extras. In game 5, Schilling again outpitched Avery, leading 3-0 after 8. Their closer blew it again and gave up 3 runs in the ninth lol. Again the Phillies won in extras. We know Curt Schilling was no fluke, but the Braves lost in normal innings 2-1 in game 4 and 6-3 in game 6 against Danny Jackson and Tommy Greene. They outpitched the Braves somehow. Played well in the world series too. The Braves won that 104 games that year, but mainly because they had to play hard each game. The phillies coasted the last week or two.
In'93, game 1 Curt Schilling outpitched Avery. The Phillies closer gave up a run to tie it up in the top of the 9th, but the Phillies won in extras. In game 5, Schilling again outpitched Avery, leading 3-0 after 8. Their closer blew it again and gave up 3 runs in the ninth lol. Again the Phillies won in extras. We know Curt Schilling was no fluke, but the Braves lost in normal innings 2-1 in game 4 and 6-3 in game 6 against Danny Jackson and Tommy Greene. They outpitched the Braves somehow. Played well in the world series too. The Braves won that 104 games that year, but mainly because they had to play hard each game. The phillies coasted the last week or two.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 1:47 pm to IS_IT_GAMEDAY
Posted on 12/18/20 at 1:50 pm to Elwood9
Maddux
Posted on 12/18/20 at 2:05 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Maddux was still schooling hitters at the end of his career in 2008, despite possessing raw stuff that wouldn’t have landed him so much as a minor league deal. He had no fastball to speak of, throwing the pitch at an average speed (84.3 MPH) that bested only Jamie Moyer (80.9 MPH) among qualified starters.
Just about nobody swung through Maddux’s “heat,” as his whiff rate (7.1 percent) was barely half of the league average (14 percent). Yet, Maddux got elite results.
Not to take anything away from Maddux, but this is BS. Maddux was nowhere near elite at the end of his career. In 2008, Maddux's ERA was 4.22. His ERA+ was 92 (or 8% worse than league average). Maddux last elite year was 2002 at age 36. He was a roughly league average pitcher the rest of his career.
Randy Johnson, on the other hand, won four straight Cy Youngs from ages 35-38. In 2004, at age 40, he finished second while throwing 245 2/3 innings with a 2.60 ERA (176 ERA+, best in the NL) and leading the NL in strikeouts (290) and WHIP (.900). But, he also wasn't very good in his 20's.
Pedro, of course, was toast by his mid 30s.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 2:30 pm to Speedy G
Extended career peaks:
Maddux 1992-2002 (ages 26-36)
198-88, 2.47 ERA (171 ERA+), 74.0 WAR (6.73/yr), 2576 IP, 1.036 WHIP, 7.9 H/9, 0.5 HR/9, 1.5 BB/9, 6.6 K/9
Johnson 1993-2004 (ages 29-40)
197-80, 2.78 ERA (166 ERA+), 83.7 WAR (6.98/yr), 2550 IP, 1.077 WHIP, 6.9 H/9, 0.8 HR/9, 2.8 BB/9, 11.8 K/9
Pedro 1997-2005 (ages 25-33)
149-53, 2.47 ERA (187 ERA+), 69.7 (7.74/yr), 1842 IP, 0.969 WHIP, 6.6 H/9, 0.7 HR/9, 2.1 BB/9, 10.7 K/9
Maddux 1992-2002 (ages 26-36)
198-88, 2.47 ERA (171 ERA+), 74.0 WAR (6.73/yr), 2576 IP, 1.036 WHIP, 7.9 H/9, 0.5 HR/9, 1.5 BB/9, 6.6 K/9
Johnson 1993-2004 (ages 29-40)
197-80, 2.78 ERA (166 ERA+), 83.7 WAR (6.98/yr), 2550 IP, 1.077 WHIP, 6.9 H/9, 0.8 HR/9, 2.8 BB/9, 11.8 K/9
Pedro 1997-2005 (ages 25-33)
149-53, 2.47 ERA (187 ERA+), 69.7 (7.74/yr), 1842 IP, 0.969 WHIP, 6.6 H/9, 0.7 HR/9, 2.1 BB/9, 10.7 K/9
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