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re: Who do you think some of the biggest sleeping giants in CFB are?
Posted on 8/18/24 at 10:50 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 8/18/24 at 10:50 pm to WestCoastAg
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but USC isn't
It’s been 2 decades since their last National Championship.
Imagine being a Trojan fan in 2004 and thinking…”man remember way back 20 years ago when Coach Edwards led BYU to a National Title!?”
This post was edited on 8/18/24 at 10:56 pm
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Posted on 8/18/24 at 11:14 pm to RolltidePA
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They had a new chancellor come in around that time that hated athletics and didn’t want anything to do with paying coaches what it looked like the new era would bring. Sherrill left for A&M with the first ever million dollar contract.
I'm sure all that played a part but you just don't have players like Tony Dorsett,Dan Marino,Bill Fralic ,Jimbo Covert,etc.all growing up about 45 mins away from your campus anymore.Western PA talent was one of their biggest reasons for success in the 70's and 80's and the area has all but dried up when it comes to producing legit P5 talent.
This post was edited on 8/19/24 at 6:42 am
Posted on 8/19/24 at 1:22 am to Paul Allen
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Memphis is across the river.
Memphis is nowhere near Fayetteville. It’s not much closer than Birmingham is to Baton Rouge. Fayetteville isn’t by the river for that to be relevant. It’s close to Tulsa, OK, though
Memphis also doesn’t produce many D1 football players. For a metro of its size and location, not much blue chip talent comes from Memphis in football.
This post was edited on 8/19/24 at 1:28 am
Posted on 8/19/24 at 3:56 am to TigersGeaux001
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Who do you think some of the biggest sleeping giants in CFB are?
Schools in proximity to billionaires, or those with connections to billionaires.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 9:19 am to Honest Tune
Arizona State--so many advantages people have listed, but not being in SEC or B1G makes it tougher.
Arkansas--about time they take advantage of being in the SEC
TAMU--it's funny how they never have achieved
Michigan State--only Big Ten school outside of Ohio State and Michigan to make the playoffs during the 4 team era.
UCLA--has many of the same advantages of USC.
Arkansas--about time they take advantage of being in the SEC
TAMU--it's funny how they never have achieved
Michigan State--only Big Ten school outside of Ohio State and Michigan to make the playoffs during the 4 team era.
UCLA--has many of the same advantages of USC.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 10:25 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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Georgia Tech if they ever started caring about sports.
5 stars don't take calculus.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 11:22 am to VABuckeye
quote:They currently are a giant, just sleeping.
The be a sleeping giant don't you have to have been a giant at some point in time?
Texas A&M, alumni and fan base, access to money and facilities are top notch. They just can't get out of their own way.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 11:51 am to MillerLiteTime
Arizona State has intrigued me for 25 years or more since the days of Jake Plummer. With sheer numbers and pretty good facilities they should have been a player 15 years ago at the very least. Lots of money in Phoenix. Relatively close proximity to San Diego and LA areas and a state population that keeps growing.
The problems has been if I were to guess have been the AD and coach selection. If someone were to be able to harness both of the AZ schools, those are truly sleeping giants....if only someone could truly leverage the pool parties in Both Tempe and Tucson
The problems has been if I were to guess have been the AD and coach selection. If someone were to be able to harness both of the AZ schools, those are truly sleeping giants....if only someone could truly leverage the pool parties in Both Tempe and Tucson
Posted on 8/19/24 at 12:04 pm to TigersGeaux001
first of all, let's define what a sleeping giant is.
resources
recruiting base
nil (now)
facilities (current and potential)
etc
the best example would be lsu pre saban. we had all the items in place but never put them together. who has that now that are just not aligned?
also need to define who are the current "giants". Is it just nattys?
LSO, Bama, Texas... Who else? Is Oregon a "giant"? What the hell is TAM? i mean, they've somehow managed to not execute the plan even with all the parts.
resources
recruiting base
nil (now)
facilities (current and potential)
etc
the best example would be lsu pre saban. we had all the items in place but never put them together. who has that now that are just not aligned?
also need to define who are the current "giants". Is it just nattys?
LSO, Bama, Texas... Who else? Is Oregon a "giant"? What the hell is TAM? i mean, they've somehow managed to not execute the plan even with all the parts.
This post was edited on 8/19/24 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 8/19/24 at 12:07 pm to TigersGeaux001
SMU
- Resources and $$
- Talent in the backyard
It’s the perfect setup.
- Resources and $$
- Talent in the backyard
It’s the perfect setup.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 12:48 pm to Globetrotter747
TBH, I would like to see an up and coming program slap the big boys in the face more often and do it without having to pay shakedown prices to big name coaches . However, this arms race like most arms races will play out and ultimately collapse on itself .
Really, college athletics is not subject to the same market forces as even the pros are Ultimately the market wins out through a creative destruction, but it sometimes not immediate. I'm a devotee to Malcolm Gladwell's assertion that little things you may think insignificant play big rolls down the line.
Ex: Drew Brees helped to unleash Alabama's run of national championships beginning in 2009 and gave the New Orleans Saints a Super Bowl win all in the same year. On paper, the assessments by the Miami medical staff was the correct one.....Brees was too much of a risk in 2006.
Really, college athletics is not subject to the same market forces as even the pros are Ultimately the market wins out through a creative destruction, but it sometimes not immediate. I'm a devotee to Malcolm Gladwell's assertion that little things you may think insignificant play big rolls down the line.
Ex: Drew Brees helped to unleash Alabama's run of national championships beginning in 2009 and gave the New Orleans Saints a Super Bowl win all in the same year. On paper, the assessments by the Miami medical staff was the correct one.....Brees was too much of a risk in 2006.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 4:52 pm to TejasHorn
quote:
TejasHorn
SMU
- Resources and $$
- Talent in the backyard
It’s the perfect setup.
No it isn't.
You still need a fan base and TV money
Posted on 8/19/24 at 4:58 pm to RD Dawg
Florida with all the talent and recourses it that state.The RIGHT COACH
and they will thrive like they did with Spurrier and Meyer.
and they will thrive like they did with Spurrier and Meyer.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 7:41 pm to lsufball19
I think what he is saying that Arkansas isn't some desert wasteland like some states such as Nebraska that is surrounded by states with marginal talent.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 8:03 pm to RD Dawg
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You still need a fan base and TV money
You need to be in the SEC or Big Ten now… we no longer have five roughly equal power conferences, we have two power conferences above two conferences in the next tier and then the G5 which now includes Oregon State and Washington State because that’s whom they’re playing
Even if an ACC or Big XII had the best offer for a specific guy, he might not accept it and take a little less to play in a superior conference
Posted on 8/19/24 at 8:29 pm to dchog
not a sleeping giant but given where cfb is headed UNLV
the B12 or whatever the next Pac# becomes for TV with NIL
the running rebs as a beatable conference team for the fans to take a trip to....?
not great value but more than smu or ark
the B12 or whatever the next Pac# becomes for TV with NIL
the running rebs as a beatable conference team for the fans to take a trip to....?
not great value but more than smu or ark
Posted on 8/19/24 at 9:05 pm to OWLFAN86
UNLV has a very small fanbase.
So does SMU and Arkansas has more fans and alumni in Dallas than SMU.
So does SMU and Arkansas has more fans and alumni in Dallas than SMU.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 9:11 pm to dchog
Auburn can steal a title here and there more frequently than you'd think your typical cow college should be able to.
Florida
SMU- I could see it.
Florida
SMU- I could see it.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 9:15 pm to Mizz-SEC
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I heard a Beano Cook interview shortly before his death where he identified Missouri and Illinois and sleeping giants. Both have good to great places from which to recruit and plenty of available financial resourses to try to marshall.
I'd be curious what his opinion would be with Mizzou in the SEC instead of the XII and with what Drink is currently doing.
If Mizzou could lockdown most of the 4-5* in state talent they would be a top 25 program every year and occasionally make a run at the playoffs.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 9:30 pm to AZTiger7072
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Great area of the country.
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