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re: What's the latest on Bryce Harper?

Posted on 2/24/12 at 11:52 am to
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 11:52 am to
he has better bat speed that 95% of MLB players at just 19. Its amazing. He'll be an all time great.
Posted by reb13
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 12:11 pm to
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Rizzo would rather keep him down to extend his clock.


What does that mean?
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 12:17 pm to
The sooner you promote a guy, the sooner he can file for free agency. You can manipulate the clock and call him up midseason to basically get an extra half year of service time.
Posted by AreJay
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 12:21 pm to
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people act like he's Babe Ruth. fricker couldn't even bat .260 in AA.


to follow one ridiculous post with another, babe ruth actually played in "AA" at the age of 19. b-ref isn't differentiating b/w his time with Providence and Baltimore, but that year he had 121 ABs and hit .231. Baltimore was not a major league team at the time either.

Granted the minor league structure is not the same today, but there ya go
Posted by barry
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 12:25 pm to
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to follow one ridiculous post with another, babe ruth actually played in "AA" at the age of 19. b-ref isn't differentiating b/w his time with Providence and Baltimore, but that year he had 121 ABs and hit .231. Baltimore was not a major league team at the time either.

Granted the minor league structure is not the same today, but there ya go



Posted by OBUDan
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 12:29 pm to
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to follow one ridiculous post with another, babe ruth actually played in "AA" at the age of 19. b-ref isn't differentiating b/w his time with Providence and Baltimore, but that year he had 121 ABs and hit .231. Baltimore was not a major league team at the time either.

Granted the minor league structure is not the same today, but there ya go


Well, Babe was a pitcher when he first became a pro.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 12:32 pm to
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fricker couldn't even bat .260 in AA.




238/.303/.325 in 80 July at-bats

286/.368/.510 in 14 August games


lets not forget he was 18 years old
This post was edited on 2/24/12 at 12:33 pm
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 12:41 pm to
I think Harper's a hell of a prospect, but the argument he had a good August and a crappy July doesn't mean a whole lot. Look at the larger sample. He battered the crap out of A-ball, but then in 147 PA at the AA level, he hit 256/329/395. He's also turned 19 in October. Those are incredible numbers for an 18-year old (simply being in AA at age 18 is amazing), but come on, Adrian Beltre was putting up sick numbers as a 17 year old in A ball (and better numbers as an 18 year old in high A).

Beltre is a great player, but he's not a once in a generation talent either.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 12:49 pm to
Beltre also had over 1k plate appearances within his first 2 years.


Beltre saw AA in his 3rd professional season, 1,075 PA's later.

And what type of leagues was he playing in the Dominican before signing a MLB deal?



Harper had 305 plate appearances before moving to AA.


and he crushed A ball as an 18 year old.



His August splits could mean nothing. But it's more relevant than Adrian Beltre.

Harper could become a once in a lifetime player. Or he couldnt. It will have nothing to do with what Beltre did. Who played minor league ball into age 22, and we all know how his up and down career went.
This post was edited on 2/24/12 at 12:51 pm
Posted by barry
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 12:55 pm to
I think Harper loves baseball more than beltre does.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 12:58 pm to
well i mean griffey Jr crushed minor league pitching as a teenage. He turned out an all time great. Arod the same. All time great.

doesnt mean he'll turn out like Adrian Beltre.


when Harper steps into an MLB batter's box next year he will already have better plate discipline than Adrian Beltre has now as a 32 or 33 year old.
This post was edited on 2/24/12 at 1:03 pm
Posted by BallHawk
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 12:59 pm to
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But the dude would be more valuable if he could hit and play catcher IMO


They have Wilson Ramos already at Catcher. Smart to move Harper to get both bats in the lineup.
Posted by Pilot Tiger
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 1:05 pm to
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Adrian Beltre was putting up sick numbers as a 17 year old in A ball
I'm not so sure he wasn't really 30 when he was crushing A ball pitching though
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 1:12 pm to
I think Beltre is incredibly relevant, as he's one of the most notable prospects to crush A ball as a teenager making his pro debut. He showed up as a 17 year old in A ball and hit 284/366/519 (a lot of that in the California League -- which is a notoriously tough league for hitters). He got promoted to high A at age 18 for his next full season, and he hit even better: 317/407/561.

Beltre was one of the most phenomenal prospects of our lifetime. He's also a perennial all-star and possibly the best 3rd baseman in the game (he was also awful in his debut for the Dodgers). If Harper turns into Beltre, which may be his worst case, he will have been a tremendous success. That's why I hate prospect mavens. Everyone has to be the next Babe Ruth. comparing a guy to Beltre isn't an insult.

Harper's ceiling is A-Rod or Griffey, two other of the best prospects of our lives, but let's not forget the guy who put him similar numbers at a younger age.


The big thing Harper has in common with Beltre is huge strikeout rates. Harper struck out 87 times in 457 PA's. Beltre, in his first season, struck out 90 times in 556 PA's. K rates are one of those things that derail even the best hitting prospects (SEE Davis, Chris).

I think Harper is going to be a terrific pro player. The odds are certainly in his favor. When your worst comp is Beltre, you are on the road to stardom. But I'm always wary of overhyping players. Manage expectations, is all I'm saying. Don't be pissed at the guy if he "only" turns into an all star.
Posted by OBUDan
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 1:31 pm to
If Beltre didn't have 3 or 4 clunker years in there, he'd be a HoF candidate.

Really excellent player.

Hell, if Mazeroski gets in, Beltre should receive consideration based on defense alone.
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 1:35 pm to
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Harper's talented no doubt. But the dude would be more valuable if he could hit and play catcher IMO. The fact he's an outfielder doesn't separate or make him any better than Ryan Braun IMO. And that's not a slam against Braun, but people act like he's Babe Ruth. fricker couldn't even bat .260 in AA.



Harper is much more of a Ryan Howard type of hitter, low average but MONSTER power. Also the fact that he is a douche bag is only going to make him that much more of a superstar.
This post was edited on 2/24/12 at 1:43 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 1:39 pm to
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If Harper turns into Beltre, which may be his worst case, he will have been a tremendous success.



I guess that is where we differ.


No top prospect, especially a once in a generation player like Harper, is striving to have a pro career like Beltre. It has taken him most of his career to put it together, and still has holes in his game. His performance up until the last few seasons has been an ongoing joke because of his ups and downs, contract year spikes, etc etc. He's always been a face in the crowd until recently.


I dont think Harper has to be the next Babe Ruth. But he at least needs to be the co-face of the nationals within the next 2-3 years. Not a guy like Beltre who at one point a ballclub counted on to be a major player, only to disappoint.
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 1:43 pm to
He's a huge douche?
Posted by Pilot Tiger
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 1:46 pm to
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If Beltre didn't have 3 or 4 clunker years in there, he'd be a HoF candidate.
Posted by Moustache
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 1:47 pm to
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238/.303/.325 in 80 July at-bats

286/.368/.510 in 14 August games


lets not forget he was 18 years old



I'm not saying the dude won't be a perennial all-star. I'm just saying that let's slow the role on him being hyped as a HOFer just yet. Long way to fricking go.
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