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re: What's the latest on Bryce Harper?
Posted on 2/24/12 at 1:48 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Posted on 2/24/12 at 1:48 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:I dont think this is at all a good comparison.
Harper is much more of a Ryan Howard type of hitter, low average but MONSTER power
He's more of a griffey type player. Solid contact, .285+ average range, incredible bat speed,
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Posted on 2/24/12 at 1:54 pm to Pilot Tiger
yeah I don't think he'll be quite the strike out hitter Howard is
MLBN and Harol Reynolds did a feature on him showing him during some off season workouts w/ weights and on the field w/ his dad doing soft toss
MLBN and Harol Reynolds did a feature on him showing him during some off season workouts w/ weights and on the field w/ his dad doing soft toss
Posted on 2/24/12 at 1:57 pm to Pilot Tiger
I figured someone would mock me.
He's currently 9th in Total Zone Runs for 3B, all time and he's shown no sign of slowing down defensively, yet. According to DRS, he's saved 55 more runs than the nearest 3B (Rolen). Though DRS doesn't date to historical people like Robinson, etc.
If he posts a couple more years like last year (14 TZR above average), he'll finish in the top 5, maybe as high as 2, behind only Robinson.
He's 32 years old with 2,000 hits, 310 HRs, coming off a season posting 144 hits and 32 HRs in 124 games.
If he can put together 3-4 more healthy years, he's going to have 2,500 hits, 400 HRs at least, to go with stellar defense.
He won't get in, but I think, as I said, if he hadn't had the clunkers, he'd have a case.
For as much as people say he's had an "up and down" career etc., he's still put together very good numbers.
He's currently 9th in Total Zone Runs for 3B, all time and he's shown no sign of slowing down defensively, yet. According to DRS, he's saved 55 more runs than the nearest 3B (Rolen). Though DRS doesn't date to historical people like Robinson, etc.
If he posts a couple more years like last year (14 TZR above average), he'll finish in the top 5, maybe as high as 2, behind only Robinson.
He's 32 years old with 2,000 hits, 310 HRs, coming off a season posting 144 hits and 32 HRs in 124 games.
If he can put together 3-4 more healthy years, he's going to have 2,500 hits, 400 HRs at least, to go with stellar defense.
He won't get in, but I think, as I said, if he hadn't had the clunkers, he'd have a case.
For as much as people say he's had an "up and down" career etc., he's still put together very good numbers.
This post was edited on 2/24/12 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 2/24/12 at 1:59 pm to HT713
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HoustonTiger713
I know some guys who play for Rice and they said Rendon is a cool guy. Very good player too. Same guys went to some of the camps in Florida, etc with Harper and said he's an insufferable douche and nobody likes him
Posted on 2/24/12 at 2:03 pm to Pilot Tiger
I think in his prime years 25-33 he'll be a .275 avg 47 homerun guy and of course he'll have a couple outlier seasons like Howard had, where he hits .300 and 55 homeruns. But of course this is all just guessing
This post was edited on 2/24/12 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 2/24/12 at 2:06 pm to OBUDan
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For as much as people say he's had an "up and down" career etc., he's still put together very good numbers.
yes, he has. Depending on what context you look at it.
The guy, as Baloo talks about earlier, was one of the best hitting prospects of the 90's that never really turned into the super star the Dodgers thought he would?
The guy the Mariners gave a huge contract too that underachieved after he got paid?
or the guy that played good defense and hit 15-20 HRs a season over a decade or playing. It's not bad if you look at it in a bubble. But taking the 2 points i made earlier, it was pretty up and down, if not a borderline disappointment until recently; Where he is actually producing in both facets, and earning his money.
Posted on 2/24/12 at 2:07 pm to Lester Earl
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No top prospect, especially a once in a generation player like Harper, is striving to have a pro career like Beltre.
Well, they are striving to be the best ever, but saying that a "Hall of Very Good" guy is a failure of a career is tremendously high bar. It's just setting the player up for failure. One of the things that ruined Gregg Jeffries is that at the first sign of struggling, he was deemed a flop. He wasn't allowed to have growing pains, and the media and fans turned on him quickly.
But it's more the hype of Best Prospect Ever. Wasn't Heyward the best prospect ever just last year? And Wieters before him? People are labeling Wieters a disappointment and he's a 24 year old who made the All Star game, plays terrific defense, and hit 262/328/450. And people are UPSET. Are you kidding me? Mad because your great prospect is "only" an All Star and not "the next Johnny Bench". It's ridiculous.
Posted on 2/24/12 at 2:09 pm to OBUDan
quote:
or as much as people say he's had an "up and down" career etc., he's still put together very good numbers.
Just do.not.touch.his.head!
Posted on 2/24/12 at 2:11 pm to Lester Earl
Beltre hit 25 jacks 3 of his 5 years in Seattle and that's a tough place to hit. I think his struggles there are a bit magnified, because he came off a season hitting 48. His 2004 was so ridiculous, it would dwarf almost any season, IMO.
His 2009 was pretty terrible, but the rest of his career he's been pretty stable .270/20 HR guy that played great defense.
I'm not saying his bat is legendary, but I think the notion that he's been so wildly inconsistent is a bit off. And just because a guy doesn't live up to his hype, doesn't mean he didn't have a tremendous career.
Beltre won't get into the Hall unless he goes on a Barry Bonds 2000s tear, but I think his glove + bat are underappreciated.
His 2009 was pretty terrible, but the rest of his career he's been pretty stable .270/20 HR guy that played great defense.
I'm not saying his bat is legendary, but I think the notion that he's been so wildly inconsistent is a bit off. And just because a guy doesn't live up to his hype, doesn't mean he didn't have a tremendous career.
Beltre won't get into the Hall unless he goes on a Barry Bonds 2000s tear, but I think his glove + bat are underappreciated.
Posted on 2/24/12 at 2:12 pm to Moustache
quote:
Just do.not.touch.his.head
I love that collection of GIFs.
Posted on 2/24/12 at 2:13 pm to OBUDan
Anyone else surprised that Andruw Jones was not brought into this discussion?
Posted on 2/24/12 at 2:15 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:
I think in his prime years 25-33 he'll be a .275 avg 47 homerun guy and of course he'll have a couple outlier seasons like Howard had, where he hits .300 and 55 homeruns. But of course this is all just guessing
47 HRs is a lot to average 25-33 post roid era.
Posted on 2/24/12 at 2:16 pm to Baloo
quote:
Well, they are striving to be the best ever, but saying that a "Hall of Very Good" guy is a failure of a career is tremendously high bar. It's just setting the player up for failure
I agree. But Beltre just isn't a good example. JD Drew is probably a better example. Even though he was a college player. At least he was consistent when he was healthy and on the field.
i doubt any prospect wants to hit his peak in his early 30's.
Re: Heyward/Wieters. Still too early to write them off from being what people thought they would be. Heyward battled injuries last year. Wieters plays a demanding position and is slowly getting better. Not everyone is joe mauer. I dont think Heyward is even 23 yet.
This post was edited on 2/24/12 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 2/24/12 at 2:20 pm to Lester Earl
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Heyward/Wieters. Still too early to write them off from being what people thought they would be. Heyward battled injuries last year. Wieters plays a demanding position and is slowly getting better. Not everyone is joe mauer. I dont think Heyward is even 23 yet.
Wieters will be a long time starter in MLB and make quite a few all-star games. He could be a better fielding Piazza or just a notch below.
Heyward has all the tools. Needs to gain confidence IMO. The lack of durability in an early 20 year old makes me worry that the Braves have MLB's version of Greg Oden.
Posted on 2/24/12 at 2:20 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:
Harper is much more of a Ryan Howard type of hitter, low average but MONSTER power.
You are crazy. He is gonna hit .420 in MLB....he even said it. Seriously though I do think he will win a few batting titles. He is gonna be like Barry Bonds.Posted on 2/24/12 at 2:21 pm to lsu31always
quote:
Anyone else surprised that Andruw Jones was not brought into this discussion?
He was a great prospect and to me one of the best CF of all time. I know people freak when I say that, but he truly had such a great jump that he made hard catches look routine.
However, Andruw loved food, alcohol, and hoes more than he did baseball.
Posted on 2/24/12 at 2:21 pm to Moustache
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The lack of durability in an early 20 year old makes me worry that the Braves have MLB's version of Greg Oden.
Ugh, don't remind me.
That's my one lingering concern with him. He'll figure the baseball stuff out, but his injury history is spotty... at best.
Posted on 2/24/12 at 2:21 pm to OBUDan
quote:
, but I think his glove + bat are underappreciated.
His glove is awesome. Generally always has been.
but his bat, come on. For a sabermetric guy its funny you never mention his OPS. or adjusted OPS. and all that dandy stuff.
Posted on 2/24/12 at 2:21 pm to lsu480
Wait, aren't you the same person who claimed that a major leaguer would not hit .400 in A ball?
Posted on 2/24/12 at 2:21 pm to lsu480
quote:
Seriously though I do think he will win a few batting titles
If he wants to even sniff a batting title, he better quit striking out too damn much.
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