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re: Traditional cleanup hitters batting leadoff
Posted on 4/2/18 at 10:09 pm to shel311
Posted on 4/2/18 at 10:09 pm to shel311
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Sure but you usually have lesser players batting 7 through 9, so why would you want your best hitter coming up with basically the worst possible chance of having more guys on base?
Kind of where I stand. I get the reasoning but it seems silly to waste your best batter hitting cleanup for guys who will almost never be on base once the lineup bats around.
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Posted on 4/2/18 at 10:11 pm to East Coast Band
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He was probably intentionally walked 173 times that same year.
It would be interesting to see how many of those walks were w/zero men on base and less than two outs.
I doubt he would have been walked anywhere near as much had he led off.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 10:16 pm to bbeck
Statistically it is 2 hole.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 10:27 pm to BARNEYSTINSON
quote:IIRC, according to The Book, Tom Tango says:
Statistically it is 2 hole.
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Posted on 4/2/18 at 10:55 pm to WestCoastAg
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dont know why chris davis is hitting lead off though cause when i think high OBP guys, he aint who i think of
Amen!
Basically the my entire thinking behind starting this thread...I just can’t wrap my head around it.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 11:53 pm to shel311
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I'm guessing he'd get less than 20 extra plate appearances batting 1st compared to 3rd.
Here’s a pretty cool article about it
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The graph below shows that for every spot a player drops in the lineup, they can expect to see about 0.10 or 0.11 fewer plate appearances per game. Over the course of a 162 game season that is about 16 plate appearances. Fall from second in the order to 7th, you’re looking at 80 less plate appearances.
This post was edited on 4/2/18 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 4/3/18 at 12:29 am to The Donald
The Sabremetrics guys think Babe Ruth should have batted leadoff.
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First they analyzed the GOAT leadoff hitter and see if it compares to GOAT sluggers.
They looked at the greatest leadoff hitter of all-time...and found that it didn't really matter where he hit in the line-up.
So after almost 2000 games (more than 12 full seasons), it didn’t significantly matter where Rickey batted in the lineup. Each team’s win total was no different than what you might expect from flipping a coin 2000 times.
We did the same for Babe Ruth. With Ruth, we found different results.
Hitting Ruth leadoff resulted in a significantly greater number of wins than expected by chance, due to the number of additional plate appearances by the leadoff hitter (4.66 PA/game as a leadoff hitter compared to 4.46 in the #2 spot, decreasing steadily down to 3.81 in the #9 hole).
Most importantly hitting him in the leadoff spot might have meant even more wins for the Yankees.
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First they analyzed the GOAT leadoff hitter and see if it compares to GOAT sluggers.
They looked at the greatest leadoff hitter of all-time...and found that it didn't really matter where he hit in the line-up.
So after almost 2000 games (more than 12 full seasons), it didn’t significantly matter where Rickey batted in the lineup. Each team’s win total was no different than what you might expect from flipping a coin 2000 times.
We did the same for Babe Ruth. With Ruth, we found different results.
Hitting Ruth leadoff resulted in a significantly greater number of wins than expected by chance, due to the number of additional plate appearances by the leadoff hitter (4.66 PA/game as a leadoff hitter compared to 4.46 in the #2 spot, decreasing steadily down to 3.81 in the #9 hole).
Most importantly hitting him in the leadoff spot might have meant even more wins for the Yankees.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 6:42 am to shel311
No the guy who had an OBP of .442, hit 34 HRs and stole 37 bases a season on average the first 12 years of his career.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:53 am to The Donald
Not that I agree with it, but they say “you only lead off one inning”.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:55 am to Chad504boy
quote:We said cleanup hitters batting leadoff, not coaches kids who deserve to be on the bench batting leadoff
I do this with my son in the 6u league. Need the best bats when you get to top of the order in the bottom 5th
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:02 am to lsupride87
My son is the 8th best hitter on my travel ball team. I bat him lead off because In case you missed it he’s my son.....
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:02 am to Jack Daniel
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I’ve always questioned the stereotypes of leadoff batters. They only bat leadoff once in a game then they become just another hitter in the lineup.
The logic is they bat before your best hitters
Posted on 4/3/18 at 1:15 pm to The Donald
and the fact that it gives them a chance for more AB's over the course of the season, you're lead off ONCE, I've always said that "cleanup" was beyond over-hyped. Larussa was first to bounce the lead off guy obv batting 1st one day and then 9th the next.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 1:34 pm to The Donald
Joe Maddon did it last year with Rizzo. His experiment worked for the most part
Posted on 4/3/18 at 2:31 pm to The Donald
If a player is in a slump a manager might move him around. That's why Giancarlo Stanton hit 2nd most of last year. He was slumping then caught fire at the 2nd spot. Mattingly never moved him after that.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 3:02 pm to The Donald
Because Springer.
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