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Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:13 am to turnpiketiger
Too many teams and too many games to cover. You’re better off just going to the websites of each school you care to look into.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:15 am to turnpiketiger
No one cares about college baseball outside of the south and some of the west coast.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:20 am to MrJimBeam
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The national interest in the sport hasn't dictated the need for them to put more money and effort into it.
and it never will if you don’t market it and make it more accessible.
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Supply and Demand
the demand for Walmart would drop considerably if they tucked their building off in some back corner of a town that was a pain in the arse to get to and had no signs.
there is a reason they put them in the places that see the most traffic (near major highways, interstates, etc) and put up massive signs.
if the customer has to do all of the work to find you, you’re going to lose a shite load of customers.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:20 am to turnpiketiger
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There’s definitely a market. They just don’t want to acknowledge it because it’s not catering to minorities or women like they like.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:27 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Outside of the south, college baseball just doesn’t draw the attention of other men’s sports
And this is the answer. If there was a bigger following of College baseball then ESPN would invest time and resources to providing these things for the fans. But because there isn't a strong following they are not going to invest their time and money in these things because it doesn't bring them the $$. Its all about the bottom line.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:35 am to Nutriaitch
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the demand for Walmart would drop considerably if they tucked their building off in some back corner of a town that was a pain in the arse to get to and had no signs.
there is a reason they put them in the places that see the most traffic (near major highways, interstates, etc) and put up massive signs.
if the customer has to do all of the work to find you, you’re going to lose a shite load of customers.
Yeah, that is a terrible analogy. EVERYONE in the US needs food and home supplies. And many people would (and do) go out of their way to purchase them at the lowest price. People don't shop at Wal-Mart only because of the convenience (In fact, many times it's not convenient). They do so largely because of the prices.
Not everyone "needs" college baseball. Would there be a bigger market if it were more widely broadcast? Sure. But probably not in any significant number that would warrant the extra expense for the networks. The season starts far too early for their to be much interest from people living in the northern part of the country. It's in the 20's, 30's, 40's in much of that area and will more or less remain so at least thru March. And many of those schools have hockey teams that draw an inordinate amount of interest for a "minor sport".
College baseball is not, nor ever has been wildly popular across the US. That's ok. It doesn't mean you shouldn't enjoy it or be a fan. It just means it's going to remain more of a niche sport where the largest fan support base is located in the same region that has the largest college football support...mostly because of the lack of pro teams.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:35 am to Alt26
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Aside from the fact there is very little market for college baseball, it's not as "TV friendly as basketball. A WBB game has much fewer variables than a baseball game. First, the game is played indoors. So barring something completely unexpected, the network, when planning their programming schedule, can be certain the game will go forward as scheduled. With baseball there is always the risk of weather delays/postponement. Two, basketball games are a bit easier to cover. You need a sideline camera in the pressbox and maybe 2 on the floor. That's it. Covering a baseball game probably requires a bit more infrastructure. Finally, basketball games have a relatively certain run time of approximately two hours. Baseball is variable. A game could run less than two hours...or it could go close to four. Again, the program directors like to have more certainty in their schedules.
This is the biggest reason. It’s also why you see more gymnastics being broadcast now. The TV window is why softball gets more games on than baseball as well.
Outside of all those reason, the thing that annoys the shite out of me is when ESPN U or the SEC network is running reruns of a talking head show or documentary on a Tuesday night during baseball season when they could be showing a mid week game they’re already producing for the streaming avenue.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:38 am to LSUultimate8
quote:ok I had no idea what he was talking about. That must be brand new. Surprising ESPN even has that now.
game breakdowns is actually new this year compared to years past on the ESPN app. So it’s progressing slowly
D1baseball has always been the go to but now I’m ready for ESPN to get on board. D1 mobile site is nothing but ads for me now which makes it a pain in the arse to navigate. Seems they’re doing all they can to nickel and dime while they still have little to no competition. the college game has really been growing recently though so I could see ESPN having a NCAAB page like they do for NCAAM & NCAAW in another 3-5 years.
That's be nice because navigating schedules, scores there would be so much easier than on d1
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:40 am to turnpiketiger
Warren Nolan is my go-to for live scores. D1 baseball's live scoring struggles at times.and the UI sucks.
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 9:41 am
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:42 am to turnpiketiger
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There’s definitely a market. They just don’t want to acknowledge it because it’s not catering to minorities or women like they like.
Holy shite.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:43 am to Paul Allen
That's ONE BILLION percent accurate, but a lot of posters here can't seem to grasp that simple concept.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:47 am to turnpiketiger
If it made money for then they would do it. Clearly the clicks don’t justify more investment.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:54 am to DhanTigers212
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They sure do push women’s college basketball though. Look I have nothing against it but the lack of respect for college baseball is aggravating.
This will hurt some feelings and egos here, but women's college basketball is WAY more popular on a national level than college baseball, and it isn't even close.
Our 3-game championship series with Florida drew an average of 2.86 million viewers, which shattered records. The womens basketball title game was over 9 million.
Outside of the SEC and a few other P-5 schools, teams are lucky to draw a few hundred fans per game.
At places like Syracuse, Ohio State, Virginia, Maryland, and UNC, lacrosse is equal or greater in popularity than baseball.
On the west coast, particularly in California, nobody gives a shite about college baseball.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:56 am to IM_4_LSU
College baseball = college hockey = college wrestling
Not sure where lax falls into the equation
Not sure where lax falls into the equation
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:56 am to Alt26
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Yeah, that is a terrible analogy. EVERYONE in the US needs food and home supplies.
they don't NEED to get them from Walmart though.
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And many people would (and do) go out of their way to purchase them at the lowest price.
and many people prefer not to go through any extra hassles.
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People don't shop at Wal-Mart only because of the convenience (In fact, many times it's not convenient). They do so largely because of the prices.
great, don't use Walmart, use any of the other businesses that set up in the same locations for the same reasons.
if that location didn't make a huge difference, they wouldn't all be paying premium land prices to stack up at all the same exits on the interstate.
Americans are lazy and love convenience.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 10:01 am to JackaReaux
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College baseball = college hockey = college wrestling
False.
There are about 5x the d1 baseball teams as there are hockey teams. And there are about 4.5x as many baseball teams as there are wrestling teams.
Those are truly regional sports. They’re only participated in regionally.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 10:01 am to turnpiketiger
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All those random CA teams like Fullerton and Irvine have decent enrollments
25th ranked Irvine drew 826 for their season opener Friday. Do with that information what you like.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 10:08 am to turnpiketiger
There are only about 5 major schools that have fans that love baseball just as much as football
LSU
Texas
Miami
Florida State
Oklahoma State
LSU
Texas
Miami
Florida State
Oklahoma State
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 10:13 am
Posted on 2/19/24 at 10:15 am to ProjectP2294
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There are about 5x the d1 baseball teams as there are hockey teams. And there are about 4.5x as many baseball teams as there are wrestling teams.
Those are truly regional sports. They’re only participated in regionally.
So technically you are correct, but you have to factor in the "give a shite" element.
For example:
11 MAC teams have baseball. Eastern Michigan led the league in attendance last year averaging a whopping 531 fans per game.
9 West Coast Conference teams have baseball. San Diego led the league with an average of 673 fans per game.
11 Atlantic-10 teams have baseball. VCU led the way with their average attendance of 499.
8 Big 10 teams averaged below 1000 fans last year.
There are plenty more--but I feel like this gets the point across. Lots of schools have baseball; very few have fans that care.
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 10:17 am
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