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re: Steph Curry or Kobe Bryant?
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:38 am to arcalades
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:38 am to arcalades
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Steph wouldn't be steph if had to play against anyone playing defense. Step plays against people like Harden. Kobe in his prime would have held Steph to about 4 points.
This board is insane. All I ever hear is how the NBA has never played defenses as well they do today.
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Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:45 am to slackster
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Kobe was assisted on 34.7% of his 2s and 65.8% of his 3s.
Curry is assisted on 32.7% of his 2s and 62.1% of his 3s.
Tell me more about who can and cannot create their own shot...
Yeah I don't think that stat is as significant for making the case of creating your own shot as you think it is.
I just hope that one day in the near future before his prime is done with Steph is on a team where he isn't surrounded by the best cast in basketball and has to actually carry the team. If he puts up the same types of numbers as he does now, then I will concede that he might be better than Kobe.
Great player... maybe the best pure shooter of all time and probable top 20 all time NBA player, but he benefits a ton from the group he plays with.
That game where I highlighted the missed dunk... he missed at least 4 other easy layups under the basket.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:49 am to CivilTiger83
Are you seriously going to hang your hat on the clunker game he had in game 3 vs. Houston and going to ignore his scintillating shot creation later in the same series?
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:51 am to CivilTiger83
In a game of one on one I take Kobe all day everyday. In a team setting I take Steph. I dont see Steph allowing his ego to run Shaq out of town. I loved Kobe, but Steph is the better teammate and leader.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:53 am to CivilTiger83
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Yeah I don't think that stat is as significant for making the case of creating your own shot as you think it is.
= it goes against my argument, so I choose to ignore it
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Great player... maybe the best pure shooter of all time and probable top 20 all time NBA player, but he benefits a ton from the group he plays with.
You can't seriously watch Steph and think most of his stats are dependent on people around him. The guy isn't just a jump shooter. This myth needs to die.
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That game where I highlighted the missed dunk... he missed at least 4 other easy layups under the basket.
Kobe went 5-24 in a playoff game and 4-20 and 7-24 in separate Finals games. They happen.
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 11:54 am
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:55 am to GeauxTigers2020
quote:was. He was overrated while playing, but seems like people are actually underrating him now.
Kobe is the most overrated player in NBA history.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:57 am to Chad504boy
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Steph Curry
Kobe all day every dayPosted on 5/20/19 at 12:03 pm to Mr Perfect
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imagine if Kobe had KD to draw doubles all the time
Lmao.
Wait...what about the most dominant big man in the history of the game taking doubles?
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:05 pm to CivilTiger83
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Steph does not have the size to create his shot whenever he wants it.
SAY WHAT!?
He just shoots it from 10 feet beyond the arc. Steph is incredible at creating his own shot because he can shoot, and shoot well, from basically anywhere in the building.
And its not like he has bad handles, the guy is slippery and smooth as well.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:06 pm to TheCaterpillar
Not to mention we have data on how good Steph is without having KD “all the time”
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:31 pm to lsupride87
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lsupride87
just dumb
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:47 pm to Mr Perfect
No one is doubling KD lmao.
Curry is the one drawing all the attention hence Durant's playoff efficiency numbers skyrocketing.
As for the OP this is Curry pretty easily. Prime Kobe's a pretty good defender but not impactful enough to pass on arguably the most impactful offensive player in league history.
Curry is the one drawing all the attention hence Durant's playoff efficiency numbers skyrocketing.
As for the OP this is Curry pretty easily. Prime Kobe's a pretty good defender but not impactful enough to pass on arguably the most impactful offensive player in league history.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:51 pm to castorinho
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was. He was overrated while playing, but seems like people are actually underrating him now.
Kobe has had a post career rating resurgence due to current players growing up more with Kobe than MJ. He's the idol to many of the guys playing today, which makes sense - he was great at basketball and wasn't afraid to do it all on his own. That's an envious place to be, team success be damned.
It doesn't make for a good team necessarily, but on his own, Kobe is incredibly formidable.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:53 pm to Chad504boy
Steph
People seem to forget that Kobe helped drive a wedge between the team and Shaq, demanded the Lakers trade him b/c he thought his teammates sucked, straight up quit playing hard during a do or die playoff game, and refused to change the way he played once his game started to decline.
This doesn't even get into things like the amount of space Steph creates for his teammates due to his incredible shooting range. He makes everything much easier for his teammates than Kobe ever did.
People seem to forget that Kobe helped drive a wedge between the team and Shaq, demanded the Lakers trade him b/c he thought his teammates sucked, straight up quit playing hard during a do or die playoff game, and refused to change the way he played once his game started to decline.
This doesn't even get into things like the amount of space Steph creates for his teammates due to his incredible shooting range. He makes everything much easier for his teammates than Kobe ever did.
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:53 pm to CivilTiger83
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Yeah I don't think that stat is as significant for making the case of creating your own shot as you think it is.
It helps paint a picture. It's not the end all, be all. Steph makes more of his buckets unassisted than Kobe does.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 1:00 pm to slackster
quote:No doubt.
He's the idol to many of the guys playing today, which makes sense
And the guy is really thoughtful and amazing at explaining his mentality when he was playing. When most of these guys try to explain what it takes it usually sounds the same.
“Work hard! Be the relentless beast! Just do it and give your all!!!!” Yeah, we get it. But when Kobe does it, he makes you feel like you’re definitely capable of adopting his work ethic. The guy has “it” and is great at explaining what “it” actually is. That’s pretty rare.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 1:19 pm to BayouCatFan
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but Steph is the better teammate and leader.
possibly but lets not act like steph didn't have a little bit of a tough adjustment period accepting KD's dominance on his team and him wanting to prove himself out there without him.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 3:55 pm to Chad504boy
This is a tough one, especially with the rules the way they are today. You really cannot go wrong with either. Personally, I like Steph better, but Kobe was dynamite. Kobe was an elite shooter who had terrible shot-selection. The low percentages were an indictment on Kobe's shot selection and the trust in his teammates, or the lack thereof. Steph will take some 35 footers, but he usually is doing it within the flow of the game, and isn't doing it fading away against a double-team, with one second left on the shot-clock. Steph is genuinely happy for his teammates.
STEPH.
STEPH.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 3:59 pm to littleavery1948
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Kobe was an elite shooter
this is simply not true
he never developed a reliable 3 point shot and he didn't play in today's 3-dominated era, he played in an era with plenty of 3 point shooting (hell Dantoni was his coach and that was damn near a decade after he started with the Suns)
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