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re: Steph Curry or Kobe Bryant?

Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:11 am to
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:11 am to
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a. why does it have to be a drive?


b. Steph has better shooting at the rim, iirc


Steph at the end of the Rockets playoff game had a wide open layup to cut it to 3...



That's embarrassing.

Why does driving the lane matter? Because when you need a bucket, jump shots are easier to take away than a drive. What makes KD such a valuable player even in today's game is that he is hard to stop going to the rim and can always get a shot off.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:23 am to
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How old are you? Did you watch Kobe in his prime? I am no Kobe fan boy... thought he was cocky and thin skinned.


Plenty old enough to have watched the 3-peat, which was really pre-prime Kobe.
quote:

He could always create a shot. Steph does not have the size to create his shot whenever he wants it.


It's like you've never seen Steph play.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476479 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:24 am to
quote:

Steph at the end of the Rockets playoff game had a wide open layup to cut it to 3...


one example v. years of data. ok

quote:

Why does driving the lane matter? Because when you need a bucket, jump shots are easier to take away than a drive.

sure, for a mediocre long distance shooter like Kobe

not when your range is steph's range

quote:

What makes KD such a valuable player even in today's game is that he is hard to stop going to the rim and can always get a shot off.

well yeah he's better than Kobe or Steph
Posted by theducks
Where The Blazers Play
Member since Aug 2013
14260 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:36 am to
How will 2x MVP and future 4x NBA champion ever recover from missing a layup in game 3 of the Semi conference finals?!?!? How embarrassing!!!
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:36 am to
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we really need to start ignoring people like a @slowflopro and @slackster who clearly do not even watch the game and then spout ignorance


Where do you have Kobe ranked, all time?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:38 am to
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on February 12. he dropped to bottom ten by April 1


Posted by Mr Perfect
Member since Mar 2010
17836 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:41 am to
I never watched Kareem. Russell. or wilt so not even going to try rank him with those guys.

he behind LeBron. Mj. Duncan. and Shaq at minimum though
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:42 am to
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he behind LeBron. Mj. Duncan. and Shaq at minimum though


Surprised you have him behind Duncan. I agree, but most people here seem to think Kobe > Duncan.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111333 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:46 am to
Here are both players cumulative stats stopping at age 30. That way, people cant say I am including Kobes bad years. Also, all stats included for sms








Posted by Mr Perfect
Member since Mar 2010
17836 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:47 am to
Kobe downside was he was incredibly selfish and was determined to be a winner but only on his terms.

Duncan more of a team first dude. Difference for me as their stats are anagolous
Posted by Mr Perfect
Member since Mar 2010
17836 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:55 am to
defensive environment was much tougher back then i.e league average regular season TS in 2001 was 51.8% compared to 56.0% this year.

also I prefer playoff data only

also those stats are mostly useless for comparison of measuring defensive impact which is continually getting ignored by Steph stans

regardless prime Kobe was #1 in ORAPM from 2002-2011, and his peak offensive APM (+6.0) is literally higher than ANY player of the post-Jordan era outside of LBJ
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111333 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:08 am to
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also I prefer playoff data only
Ask and you shall receive

Playoff stats for kobe and steph up to age 30






In summary, Steph leads Kobe in the following category in the Playoffs for both players Prime:

points, rebounds, assists, fg%, eFG%, ws/48, and average VORP
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:17 am to
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How old are you? Did you watch Kobe in his prime? I am no Kobe fan boy... thought he was cocky and thin skinned. He could always create a shot. Steph does not have the size to create his shot whenever he wants it. Steph is a better shooter, but if you need a drive to win a game... Kobe all day every day.


Kobe was assisted on 34.7% of his 2s and 65.8% of his 3s.

Curry is assisted on 32.7% of his 2s and 62.1% of his 3s.

Tell me more about who can and cannot create their own shot...
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134141 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:18 am to
Steph of course.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476479 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:20 am to
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also I prefer playoff data only


Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476479 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:21 am to
quote:

Kobe was assisted on 34.7% of his 2s and 65.8% of his 3s.

Curry is assisted on 32.7% of his 2s and 62.1% of his 3s.

Tell me more about who can and cannot create their own shot...


Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
87468 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:29 am to
quote:

Kobe was assisted on 34.7% of his 2s and 65.8% of his 3s.

Curry is assisted on 32.7% of his 2s and 62.1% of his 3s.

Tell me more about who can and cannot create their own shot...

that guy was talking out of his arse, but unfortunately the stat you listed isn't a reasonable barometer due to the nature of the assist stat.
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:32 am to
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Who is Steph’s peer as far as skill set?
Steph wouldn't be steph if had to play against anyone playing defense. Step plays against people like Harden. Kobe in his prime would have held Steph to about 4 points.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
178850 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:34 am to
i'm pretty pissed at my upvote/downvote ratio in OP. people should be jerking off my question rather than downvoting in the closet.
Posted by GeauxTigers2020
Member since Sep 2013
28667 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:37 am to
Kobe is the most overrated player in NBA history. Steph broke basketball. This is so easy.
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