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re: Steph Curry or Kobe Bryant?
Posted on 5/20/19 at 8:11 am to slackster
Posted on 5/20/19 at 8:11 am to slackster
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Well they'd have no SG, which would make for a horrible defensive matchup, but Steph's offense would be elite. Better than Kobe's. He's made those around him better every step along the way.
No way would Steph score more if you replaced him with Kobe on the Lakers.
How old are you? Did you watch Kobe in his prime? I am no Kobe fan boy... thought he was cocky and thin skinned.
He could always create a shot. Steph does not have the size to create his shot whenever he wants it. Steph is a better shooter, but if you need a drive to win a game... Kobe all day every day.
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Posted on 5/20/19 at 8:12 am to Chad504boy
Kobe
Posted on 5/20/19 at 8:13 am to Mr Perfect
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imagine if Kobe had KD to draw doubles all the time
as opposed to the unstoppable force in prime Shaq?
Posted on 5/20/19 at 8:17 am to CivilTiger83
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but if you need a drive to win a game... Kobe all day every day.
a. why does it have to be a drive?
b. Steph has better shooting at the rim, iirc
c. kobe's alleged clutchness is one of the most overrated myths in NBA lore
Posted on 5/20/19 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
i don't know what it is, but Kobe makes this board go legitimately insane
Posted on 5/20/19 at 8:23 am to CivilTiger83
2000's were filled with ISO-ball, 2/3 in 2/3 out.
now it's 1 in 4 out or even 5 out. The importance of the 3 ball is the game
so we have increased spacing which made it easier to score, counteracting the defensive rule changes.
this is why 2006 NBA szn mysterious.
now it's 1 in 4 out or even 5 out. The importance of the 3 ball is the game
so we have increased spacing which made it easier to score, counteracting the defensive rule changes.
this is why 2006 NBA szn mysterious.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 8:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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c. kobe's alleged clutchness is one of the most overrated myths in NBA lore
From 2015
quote:
With 0.6 seconds left Friday, the Lakers trailed the Grizzlies by three points. You know what must happen next: Kobe Bryant, the Clutch King, the Unicorn of Unicorns, the Bringer of Pain and Player Whose Hands You Want The Ball In.
Kobe Bryant needs the ball. Because he's going to shoot.
And so he did. And he missed it badly -- again. It was so off, it bounced up and over the backboard.
quote:
ESPN Stats & Info
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@ESPNStatsInfo
Kobe Bryant has now missed 13 straight game-tying/go-ahead FG in final 5 seconds of 4th quarter/OT.
His last make was March 2012.
10:06 PM - 2 Jan 2015
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Kobe Bryant has not made a single clutch shot in the final five seconds of a game in almost three years. Thirteen straight misses, which if you like sound effects goes something like BONG, BONG, BONG, BONG, BONG, BONG, BONG, BONG, BONG, BONG, BONG, BONG. BONG.
In you expand the definition of clutch to include the last five minutes of a game with the margin at five points or less, it does not help. This is generally referred to as "crunch time." Some announcers have been known to call it "Kobe Time." In "Kobe Time," our protagonist is shooting 35 percent this season. That is the fifth lowest figure among 22 high-frequency crunch-time shooters. For comparison's sake, Monta Ellis is at 56 percent on such shots this season.
There's something in that list that explains why everyone considers Bryant clutch even though he hasn't made a game-tying or go-ahead shot with less than five seconds left in almost three years. One player shooting worse than even Bryant in crunch time this season is Kemba Walker, which is a surprise if you have only noticed his several ultra-clutch makes. Just better than Bryant is Brandon Knight, also a purveyor of some of the season's most clutch shots. Without the data, you'd think those two guys were heirs to Kobe Bryant, young unicorns, future clutch superstars. The data does support that they are heirs to Kobe Bryant, but in a much worse light: they are crunch time chuckers.
That's the thing about "clutch": there's so little data, it's so noisy and it's overly clouded by our audiovisual embrace of the makes. Consider that there are no Vines of Bryant's game-ending brick floating around on Twitter. If he'd hit, the definitive Vine would have 5 million loops already. There's nothing wrong with that -- who wants to watch another brick? -- but it's informative into why our considerations of who is clutch are often so wrong. We only remember the makes, and Bryant has had plenty of them.
If clutch exists, though, you must look at the fuller data. And right now it's impossible to argue that Kobe Bryant is anything approximating clutch, and in fact appears to be quite the opposite.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 8:27 am to SlowFlowPro
Kobe playoff career better then Steph. just facts
all you need to know and all we need to be evaluating
different eras need context considering too but most too dumb for that
all you need to know and all we need to be evaluating
different eras need context considering too but most too dumb for that
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 8:28 am
Posted on 5/20/19 at 8:30 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
c. kobe's alleged clutchness is one of the most overrated myths in NBA lore
Posted on 5/20/19 at 8:55 am to sicboy
quote:Why are you bringing in stats from 2015 when Kobe was like 37 years old and in his 20th season in the league?
Kobe Bryant has now missed 13 straight game-tying/go-ahead FG in final 5 seconds of 4th quarter/OT. His last make was March 2012.
10:06 PM - 2 Jan 2015
In his prime, in big games, Kobe was a stone cold killer. I specifically remember feeling demoralized many times by Kobe lighting it up in the 4th quarter to put close games out of reach.
I don’t know how “clutch” should be defined, but what I do know is that in the moments when the pressure was on, Kobe would rise to the occasion and thrive where many others would fold. That’s how he was clutch.
It’s like Steph and the Warriors. Your team might be playing the Warriors close the whole game, and late in the 4th Steph just goes off when the game is the tightest and puts the game just out of reach. That’s what Kobe used to do constantly.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:01 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:1. He has rings
i don't know what it is, but Kobe makes this board go legitimately insane
2. He was that alpha dog badass who shot his shot
3. He played like MJ
That trumps everything in the eyes of many NBA fans.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:03 am to PrimeTime Money
kobes clutch stats during his prime three peat were quite amazing.. this is from NBA .com and 2000-2002 playoffs
Points per 36: 31.4
True shooting: 59.5% TS
Assist per 36: 5
TO per 36: 2.2 TO
Efg%: 49.2%
clutch is last five minutes, margin of five.
we really need to start ignoring people like a @slowflopro and @slackster who clearly do not even watch the game and then spout ignorance
Points per 36: 31.4
True shooting: 59.5% TS
Assist per 36: 5
TO per 36: 2.2 TO
Efg%: 49.2%
clutch is last five minutes, margin of five.
we really need to start ignoring people like a @slowflopro and @slackster who clearly do not even watch the game and then spout ignorance
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 9:06 am
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:04 am to ReauxlTide222
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3. He played like MJ
That trumps everything in the eyes of many NBA fans.
hard to argue any other way.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:05 am to Mr Perfect
Didn't you have slack as a top 3 poster last week?
Relegated him from the top 3 list to the ignore list because he disagreed with your esteemed opinion?
Relegated him from the top 3 list to the ignore list because he disagreed with your esteemed opinion?
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 9:06 am
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:06 am to boom roasted
on February 12. he dropped to bottom ten by April 1
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:08 am to boom roasted
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Relegated him from the top 3 list to the ignore list because he disagreed with your esteemed opinion?
nope dude. disagreement is cool but he just does hot takes based on zero rational. then his follow-up is "it's my hot take won't change my opinion. hehehe". like the Draymond thread
instead of just having a sack and saying he was wrong. stubborn arse ppl need to ignored
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:09 am to Mr Perfect
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instead of just having a sack and saying he was wrong. stubborn arse ppl need to ignored
quote:oh my
posted by Mr Perfect
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:10 am to boom roasted
I admit to my Ls dude. big difference
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:11 am to Mr Perfect
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I admit to my Ls dude
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:35 am to TrouserTrout
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Kobe is mostly hype by Laker fan boys.
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