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re: Public high schools should refuse to play private schools
Posted on 8/31/09 at 2:02 pm to choupiquesushi
Posted on 8/31/09 at 2:02 pm to choupiquesushi
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Greater NOLA area.
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Posted on 8/31/09 at 2:44 pm to LSUtigerfan1025
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Another thing, does anyone think if it wasn't for John Curtis and Evangel that this argument would EVER come up.
Is there anybody on this planet that doesn't recognize that Curtis and Evangel dominated BECAUSE they're private schools with competitive advantages? Don't you think the people at Sulphur HS would like to have as many state championships?
If there were only ONE private school dominating because they can recruit then it's too many.
"Only" 5 of the past 20 championships were won by private schools? So WHAT? How many public schools have football programs versus how many private schools with football programs, in each classification?
Posted on 8/31/09 at 2:50 pm to Rex
Did anybody else watch the Sunday games from Ohio Stadium? Highly highly touted Orange Lutheran,CA (Aaron Corp alum) played Pickerington Central,OH and PC absolutely demolished them. As has already been stated, Herbstreit missed on UA big time and totally misrepresnted Ohio. Ohio has much better teams then UA this year. Cincinnati Elder would have been a GREAT match up!
Posted on 8/31/09 at 2:51 pm to Rex
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Is there anybody on this planet that doesn't recognize that Curtis and Evangel dominated BECAUSE they're private schools with competitive advantages?
Evangel is a terrible example because they had one of the top 3 coaching staffs in the state, zero private school competition in a huge city and a mega church funding them. All of those things remain except the coaching staff and remarkably Evangel is not nearly the program it once was.
JCC runs an extremely simple but effective system with the same coach for 34years. The reason JCC is still so good and Evangel has fallen off if JCC has had none of the upheavel that Evangel had.
Kids and their parents want to play for a winner, so if they are motivated they will find the way to play for the best program they can. it is FAR easier to recruit kids to a public school because there is no tuition to deal with. Just move from one rent house to another in the correct zone and you are in.
But what about Parish's with magnet/vocational/specialized public school programs where kids have no attendance zone, no tuition and no worries about eligibility? Don't powerhouse schools in those parishes have an unfair advantage over everyone else?
Posted on 8/31/09 at 2:52 pm to choupiquesushi
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uh no.. last NOLA team to win the states largest class was in 1987.
Yep. The Catholic League's Archbishop Shaw.
We've had teams get to the Semis and even to the Dome, but when we were splitting the local talent so much, it's harder to go up against those schools that have ALL of the best players in their area.
Posted on 8/31/09 at 2:54 pm to Rex
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"Only" 5 of the past 20 championships were won by private schools? So WHAT? How many public schools have football programs versus how many private schools with football programs, in each classification?
On a percentage basis, however, look at it. If two our three out of the LOADS of private schools win state versus a much larger number of public state champs, what's that tell you?
And why, pray tell, hasn't anyone from the Catholic League won State in a generation?
Posted on 8/31/09 at 4:14 pm to Sophandros
I'm not sure if it's been brought up yet...and I don't keep up w/ enough HS football to put a educated statement on it...but in HS basketball...private schools dominate...public schools (esp. small classes) can not compete w/ private schools. Reserve Christian could beat most 5-A teams and were a B and C school.
STA is 2-A...and in girls and guys ball very very tough...and could beat most 5-A....it's a big problem in bball.
only school off top of my head in bball that can beat private schools in its class is Zwolle
STA is 2-A...and in girls and guys ball very very tough...and could beat most 5-A....it's a big problem in bball.
only school off top of my head in bball that can beat private schools in its class is Zwolle
Posted on 8/31/09 at 4:32 pm to fightingtiger2335
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I'm not sure if it's been brought up yet...and I don't keep up w/ enough HS football to put a educated statement on it...but in HS basketball...private schools dominate...public schools (esp. small classes) can not compete w/ private schools. Reserve Christian could beat most 5-A teams and were a B and C school.
STA is 2-A...and in girls and guys ball very very tough...and could beat most 5-A....it's a big problem in bball.
only school off top of my head in bball that can beat private schools in its class is Zwolle
LOL. You are probably right, but alas, no one cares about basketball.....
Posted on 8/31/09 at 4:43 pm to fightingtiger2335
reserve christian is really the only school like that in basketball
the catholic league has DOMINATED 5-a the last decade or so, without recruiting anyone the way Reserve Christian does
the catholic league has DOMINATED 5-a the last decade or so, without recruiting anyone the way Reserve Christian does
Posted on 8/31/09 at 4:44 pm to Lester Earl
They won't get to do it anymore since they closed the high school.
Posted on 8/31/09 at 4:46 pm to BraveTiger225
true, i forgot they closed. Its probably a good thing.
though i think Country Day has gotten some players similar to the way Reserve has, they really havent been that powerhouse
though i think Country Day has gotten some players similar to the way Reserve has, they really havent been that powerhouse
Posted on 8/31/09 at 4:47 pm to Lester Earl
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reserve christian is really the only school like that in basketball
I said they dominate smaller classes (2-A and down) reason being because they are getting 4/5-a athletes going against small public schools.
in 2-a through c...outside of reserve who was always there...private schools rotate domaince..for a while FCA had a killer team out of Baton Rouge..hell Hosanna had a few good runs in them at one point years ago...Right now in 2-A STA has ran rampant through 2-a and blown out a ton of highly ranked big schools.
in basketball private vs public is far more of a problem than football imho.
Posted on 8/31/09 at 4:54 pm to jrmcmahon
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Katrina made a 1A power that will win many championships. South Plaquemines is an enormous land area to pull players from.
funny how plaquemines parish won as many state championships as st. bernard parish won games last season despite the parishes bordering each other...
and if john curtis didn't exist, the catholic league would have won at least 5 state championships in football since 1988...
Posted on 8/31/09 at 5:01 pm to chalmetteowl
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funny how plaquemines parish won as many state championships as st. bernard parish won games last season despite the parishes bordering each other...
and if john curtis didn't exist, the catholic league would have won at least 5 state championships in football since 1988...
Very doubtful. Reason being Evangel and West Monroe. Both these teams beat up on curtis in the late 1990's and early 2000's. I see no evidence that any team in the catholic league would have been able to compete with WM or ECA even with the Curtis kids. Now if there was only 1 Catholic School in N.O. and all the students went there, yea they probably would dominate. But they'd also have an enrollment of like 8,000 kids.
Posted on 8/31/09 at 5:09 pm to LSUtigerfan1025
john curtis gets the kids that used to put the catholic league over the top... rummel was the second best team in the state but always ran into ECA before the dome. you think they aren't losing kids to JC?
Posted on 8/31/09 at 5:12 pm to Rex
I think you make a terrible argument. I know I go to a private school, they get more wins, but according to state titles, more public schools win them than private schools. That is what happens.
Posted on 8/31/09 at 5:16 pm to chalmetteowl
john curtis gets the kids that used to put the catholic league over the top... rummel was the second best team in the state but always ran into ECA before the dome. you think they aren't losing kids to JC?
rummel has never made it to the dome - eca or not... hardly ALWAYS second best team in the state...
here comes the catholic league superiority complex again.....
rummel has never made it to the dome - eca or not... hardly ALWAYS second best team in the state...
here comes the catholic league superiority complex again.....
Posted on 8/31/09 at 5:19 pm to choupiquesushi
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rummel
the shite
Posted on 8/31/09 at 5:20 pm to Lester Earl
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though i think Country Day has gotten some players similar to the way Reserve has, they really havent been that powerhouse
Not even close. Ludwig's family is uber-wealthy and Derenbecker's dad played at Country Day in the late seventies. Livingston at Newman would be a much closer comparison.
Posted on 8/31/09 at 5:24 pm to choupiquesushi
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here comes the catholic league superiority complex again....
besides the catholic league beats itself up in the regular season...
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