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re: NCAA proposing new college athletics subdivision rooted in direct athlete compensation

Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:36 am to
Posted by Swagga
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:36 am to
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LSU will be completely screwed in this model. They already are to a certain degree. There needs to be restrictions on this and they are going the other way. Schools with massive donors and trusts will start to completely dominate within 5 years. The "reputation" schools like LSU will fade. They will not be able to compete with the Texas and Michigans etc's of the world.



I think the market will regulate itself pretty quickly. If you get to the point where it’s 4 teams and everyone losing interest that impacts the bottom line significantly.

Texas is probably the only program that realistically could sustain spending at an out of control amount and I’m not even sure they would want to.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:39 am to
The upvotes and downvotes in this thread are baffling to me. LSU becoming a perennial 4-8 team? We are one of the biggest spenders on football and have solid resources and recruiting grounds. Sure we can't spend the most, but that's not any different than how things are now. We still do just fine
Posted by Enzos Tiny Pito
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:43 am to
Was good while it lasted boys

fricking stupid
Posted by GetCocky11
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 11:48 am to
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You can break them off into the "superdivision" or whatever, and then teams like Liberty, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, etc. can have a national championship they can actually compete for.


Teams like South Carolina, Miss St, Minnesota, Colorado, Maryland, etc wouldn't be in the superdivision. It wouldn't just be the small schools like Coastal being excluded.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 11:48 am
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:02 pm to
Here is the money quote from the article

"59 DI schools spend more than $100 million on athletics; another 32 DI schools spend over $50 million; and a whopping 259 spend less than $50 million, with half of those spending less than $25 million."

I think LSU spends a little less than $200 million on athletics. LSU will be fine. You will have about 60-70 teams in the top division. I think a few schools will spend more to get into the top tier. You can adjust it periodically on what you have to spend to be in the top tier. Maybe in 2030 it goes up to $110 million.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 12:03 pm
Posted by Tiger Prawn
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:06 pm to
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Teams like South Carolina, Miss St, Minnesota, Colorado, Maryland, etc wouldn't be in the superdivision. It wouldn't just be the small schools like Coastal being excluded.
Then the current conference setups would collapse.

How would South Carolina or Miss St be able to stay in the SEC when the other 14 teams are playing in a different division for football? It'd be like Miss St wanting to be in the SEC but be eligible for the FCS playoffs. Same for Minnesota and Maryland in the Big 10. Those conference revenue sharing checks are too big for those schools to bail out. They'll participate but with a much lower payroll than the top tier programs.
Posted by GetCocky11
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:07 pm to
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Then the current conference setups would collapse.


It's already started with the Pac-12's collapse
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:11 pm to
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Teams like South Carolina,


Make too much money

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Minnesota, Colorado, Maryland
all the flagship P5s of their states. We really think they’ll not try to compete? Their fans will demand it
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:41 pm to
Even smaller schools will make this work if they are in the upper tier of how much money they bring in.

Look at South Alabamas books, for example.

Revenue of 39mil and expenses of 33mil for 2022. They can budget an extra 5-6m a year.

Factor in that the cost of “rent a wins” from FBS-A programs will likely get into the 3-4m range instead of the 1.5-2m range, and it won’t really be that much more expensive.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 12:42 pm
Posted by OleVaught14
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:51 pm to
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Revenue of 39mil and expenses of 33mil for 2022. They can budget an extra 5-6m a year.


South Alabama has 400 student athletes. At 30k a year, that's 12 million a year - so from having a 6 mil profit to being 6 mil in the hole.
Posted by Hateradedrink
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:54 pm to
You only have to do half to qualify.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:01 pm to
This is just a scheme to get the women paid the same as the men.

Title IX will guarantee it and they know this.

Look past the surface.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:04 pm to
It’s also going to force realignment at the lower levels.

Programs like ULM will not be able to afford this while other schools in the Sun Belt will. This phenomenon will happen across the country. Expect more realignment as I doubt a conference will want a mixed clientele.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:04 pm to

Ross Dellenger
@RossDellenger
Yes. 50% of all cash deposited into the trust fund would need to go toward women to comply with Title IX.

Does that mean the total amount spent on men has to be the same as that spent on women? It's unclear. But the numbers who are receiving compensation need to be equal.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:10 pm to
That’s how I read it.

6mil/year divided equally between men and women is minimum if you have 400 athletes. Schools can divvy it up however they want.

I would expect 100 men to get money across football and basketball and the rest to go to womens sports for smaller schools.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 1:10 pm
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:19 pm to
when all this started up I warned yall that even LSU wouldn't make the upper tier cut, that's not an insult to the University or the kids that play there.ITS SIMPLE MATH , THE ECONOMICS OF IT.

we have lost the spirit of community that College athletics offered young men and women. The opportunity to get to know people that came from different backgrounds to work together on something be part of a team that meant something to each other and the larger community of fans and alumni and administration.

We'll see just like pro sports that people start becoming fans of the superstars rather than the teams then the sense of community is lost because they don't have that shared environment generally speaking the community of fans had a regional connection Furthering the sense of community if you go back to what sports meant all the way back to tribes playing games the Indians and lacrosse how it was a form of genteel warfare to work out aggressions as a united community and then you could celebrate afterwards

it had a psychological benefit that is going to be lost and more and more people are going to feel more and more isolated we're losing what was the best part of college athletics

NFL football was the devils work its completely upended Sundays, Community, reflection, family its now drinking and gambling

and Saturdays which if you made the trip to the stadium, the fun, fellowship . tailgating it was something to look forward to and reconnect with people with whom you shared SOMETHING bigger than politics, skin color, background. And now when you know your team has no shot at winning EVER.. the ultimate..to be The CHAMPIONS..we need to feel that joy..at least the success of a good season and a bowl game means nothing

Lombardi and Saban are demons from hell





Posted by Tridentds
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Member since Aug 2011
23951 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:26 pm to
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. You bring all sorts of Title IX issues into play on the NIL side here now that didn't exist before.


This is their goal TBH. Propping up women’s athletes. Nothing new…. Just took them some time to figure out how to do it,
Posted by Baers Foot
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Member since Dec 2011
3916 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:40 pm to
Let the P4 split. G5 with the NCAA-approved ability to govern themselves should implement some transfer portal reforms (mandatory sit-out year if entering the portal with certain exceptions. Hardships, coaching changes, etc.) Should temper the P4 farming a bit.

Then some bubble guys would have to choose: go to an FCS school with little-to-no funding/facilities to avoid having to sit out if their lucky number is called, or go to a G5 school with nicer facilities, low-level NIL potential, but having to sit out a year if the big boys come tampering, I mean calling.
Posted by BregmansWheelbarrow
Member since Mar 2020
3262 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:44 pm to
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Electing in means Title IX will not apply


It’s quite the opposite. It’s rooted in title IX and any payouts between the school and athletes, male or female, would have to be completely equal. IMO, it would be a travesty for the male athletes based on what they bring in compared to the payout.

Just for the sake of argument, consider a scenario where the female is valued at 10k and the male is valued at 100k. They aren’t going to pay the female the same 100k they pay the male and even if the male took a 50% cut, he’d still be worth 5 times more and they wouldn’t pay that to her either. So the male athletes stand to take VERY significant cuts to what they get. Of course they can still pursue outside opportunities, but schools that don’t want to significantly over pay females with be at a massive disadvantage in recruiting.
Posted by Old Money
LSU
Member since Sep 2012
41783 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:52 pm to
There needs to be an agreed upon salary cap. There has to be some system in place to make it fair for most schools. This seems reckless
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