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re: NCAA proposing new college athletics subdivision rooted in direct athlete compensation
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:40 am to LNCHBOX
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:40 am to LNCHBOX
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How many schools can and will make the choice to spend unlimited amounts of money? The answer is almost none at best.
You say that, but that’s not how it’s looking like it’s worked out.
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:42 am to LNCHBOX
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How many schools can and will make the choice to spend unlimited amounts of money? The answer is almost none at best.
Its not a matter of unlimited its a matter of what your limits actually are
And LSU will, in theory, have lower limits than schools like Michigan, Texas, Texas AM, USC, Georgia, Notre Dame, etc
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:44 am to usc6158
It’s not a salary, it’s a trust
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:44 am to The Eric
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Make the players sign exclusive contracts that keep them from getting money from other sources..
That would get struck down in court with quickness
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:45 am to Fun Bunch
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Its not a matter of unlimited
Unless I'm missing something, you seem to be making the argument LSU will suffer in this new system because we don't have the money other schools have.
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And LSU will, in theory, have lower limits than schools like Michigan, Texas, Texas AM, USC, Georgia, Notre Dame, etc
So a handful of schools, and we're still gonna be near the top, plus having good instate talent.
Sounds a lot like how things are for us currentlyPosted on 12/5/23 at 9:51 am to LNCHBOX
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So a handful of schools, and we're still gonna be near the top, plus having good instate talent.
Your assuming LSU will still also be competing with a majority of lesser schools.
What happens when LSU is only competing with the 20 other havs? Just against Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, etc... there's no Vandy, Mizzou, Mississippi State to balance it all out.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:52 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Or better yet, maybe it will go back to unpaid college students that play sports, instead of paid athletes that play school.
We can hope
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:53 am to NorthshoreTiger76
I mean, in all honesty, there probably needs to be a split in FBS anyway (although whether this is the reason to do it is debatable).
133 teams in FBS is just way too many, and only like 30-40 really have a shot to win a national championship. You can break them off into the "superdivision" or whatever, and then teams like Liberty, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, etc. can have a national championship they can actually compete for.
133 teams in FBS is just way too many, and only like 30-40 really have a shot to win a national championship. You can break them off into the "superdivision" or whatever, and then teams like Liberty, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, etc. can have a national championship they can actually compete for.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:54 am to OleVaught14
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Your assuming LSU will still also be competing with a majority of lesser schools.
What happens when LSU is only competing with the 20 other havs? Just against Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, etc... there's no Vandy, Mizzou, Mississippi State to balance it all out.
There are only so many roster spots to go around. LSU is not magically becoming irrelevant in this scenario.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:54 am to chalmetteowl
quote:while you're correct title ix would likely frick that up
Should be a football only thing
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:57 am to LNCHBOX
quote:thats expecting high school/ college age kids to have foresight. You flash a million dollar check in front of a 20 y/o and ask them to turn that down to maybe make more later.
Not really. Jayden just made himself 10s of millions of dollars more than any NIL deal would have paid by coming here and balling out.
Players will take notice of that.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:58 am to LNCHBOX
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There are only so many roster spots to go around. LSU is not magically becoming irrelevant in this scenario.
You'll still be competing just with schools that can pay more. That will still poach the top players from other teams. Regular 4-8 seasons will become a real thing.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:58 am to Pedro
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thats expecting high school/ college age kids to have foresight. You flash a million dollar check in front of a 20 y/o and ask them to turn that down to maybe make more later.
Some will, some won't, just like now.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:59 am to OleVaught14
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Regular 4-8 seasons will become a real thing.
Ok
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:01 am to OleVaught14
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What happens when LSU is only competing with the 20 other havs? Just against Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, etc... there's no Vandy, Mizzou, Mississippi State to balance it all out.
the floor is 30k a year. Roughly 4 mil a year to run a roster.
State is going to figure out how to make that work
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:04 am to OleVaught14
quote:The lower tier SEC and Big 10 schools aren't going to opt out because then they lose out on that $50M+ conference revenue sharing...which will probably go up with new TV deals kicking in. They just won't pay as much as the schools like Bama, Texas, Michigan, etc. So the same schools who are typically bottom feeders in the SEC/BIG will continue to be bottom feeders in the new NCAA pro league.
What happens when LSU is only competing with the 20 other havs? Just against Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, etc... there's no Vandy, Mizzou, Mississippi State to balance it all out.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:04 am to LNCHBOX
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Ok
Realistically, if most other schools you play against are spending more, how often are you having a great season against:
@Ohio State
Alabama
@Michigan
@ Texas
Texas A&M
Penn St
@USC
Oregon
Etc...
Because the end game is a super League made up of very few schools
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:06 am to Tiger Prawn
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The lower tier SEC and Big 10 schools aren't going to opt out because then they lose out on that $50M+ conference revenue sharing...
How long until Bama is tired of an even split with Vandy? Ohio State with Purdue?
For this to work - you need a pro model with an equal media/revenue split between all the teams and a salary cap
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:08 am to NorthshoreTiger76
Why would any school want to do this?
It brings in legal and logistical headaches while adding nothing.
In what way would this be better than the current NIL model where schools effectively control the situation while staying hands off by using outside individuals?
It brings in legal and logistical headaches while adding nothing.
In what way would this be better than the current NIL model where schools effectively control the situation while staying hands off by using outside individuals?
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:32 am to NorthshoreTiger76
Whatever on paying players. Put some sensible rules on it and I’m fine with it.
That world, however, cannot exist with the no sit transfer rule. The unlimited free agency and the 4 year tenure of an athlete makes the sport worse.
Add back in a one year sit out for transfers and there will at least be some semblance of structure.
That world, however, cannot exist with the no sit transfer rule. The unlimited free agency and the 4 year tenure of an athlete makes the sport worse.
Add back in a one year sit out for transfers and there will at least be some semblance of structure.
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