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re: Mahomes is the GOAT
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:38 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:38 pm to RollTide1987
So Brady became the GOAT due to his surrounding talent?
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Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:39 pm to CarolinaGamecock99
He is the new Prototype of an NL QB
he had like 70 more TDs and 7000 more yard through 7 seasons than Brady.
he had like 70 more TDs and 7000 more yard through 7 seasons than Brady.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:40 pm to RollTide1987
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Tom Brady: 317-527 60.2% 3,620 YDs 23 TDs 12 INTs
Bruh
Thats game manager numbers
And yeah Moss bumped his numbers up a lot along with Welker. Two HOF receivers at once in their primes will do that
But, again, Brady’s production went down in the playoffs and the patriots had a weaker defense that year so Brady lost.
If Brady has Brees’ defenses, he would have zero super bowls
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:40 pm to theunknownknight
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Overall from start to finish in those years - Brady wasn't carrying the team. NE was lights on both sides of the line and on defense. He really wasn't that great.
He finished third in NFL MVP voting in 2003.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:40 pm to GeauxtigersMs36
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Tom won 2 different teams. 2 different coaches.
Can we apply this logic to LeBron over MJ then? 3 different teams. 3 different coaches.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:41 pm to SammyTiger
New prototype would be scared to run in harder hitting defense eras. Pretty easy to want to scramble when you get a 50% chance to get an extra 15
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:41 pm to TigerLifer18
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Manning
Umm… no. I’ll take Aikman, Elway, Young over Manning any day
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:42 pm to RollTide1987
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He finished third in NFL MVP voting in 2003
Alex Smith did well in MVP voting too. Are you trying to make my point for me?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:42 pm to Masterag
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Umm… no. I’ll take Aikman, Elway, Young over Manning any day
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:43 pm to tee3
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word Mahomes is well on his way to surpassing Brady, let's be real, he's better.
When he wins 8, we’ll talk
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:43 pm to CarolinaGamecock99
This one is easy as of right now
Mahomes has played the position of QB better than any QB ever. It's really not close or needs to be debate, he's decidedly ahead of whoever is 2nd.
But...
He does still have work to do on GOAT status just die to longevity. Mahomes is without question a better QB than Brady but anyone, again logically, would take 22 or however many years of Brady over 6 or however many years of Mahomes.
Mahomes doesn't need to do it for 22 years, but he does need to do it more than 6 years, and I see no reason why he won't.
Mahomes has played the position of QB better than any QB ever. It's really not close or needs to be debate, he's decidedly ahead of whoever is 2nd.
But...
He does still have work to do on GOAT status just die to longevity. Mahomes is without question a better QB than Brady but anyone, again logically, would take 22 or however many years of Brady over 6 or however many years of Mahomes.
Mahomes doesn't need to do it for 22 years, but he does need to do it more than 6 years, and I see no reason why he won't.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:43 pm to theunknownknight
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Thats game manager numbers
Those are certainly game manger numbers now.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:43 pm to BregmansWheelbarrow
quote:About what?
When he wins 8, we’ll talk
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:44 pm to RollTide1987
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Those are certainly game manger numbers now.
They were then too. Are we pretending Manning didn't throw 49 touchdowns around that time now?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:45 pm to RollTide1987
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He finished third in NFL MVP voting in 2003
He received 8 of 50 votes and they were all Northeast voters. He threw 127 more passes than Steve McNair that season and had one LESS td pass. Manning only threw 39 more passes and had 6 more tds, 647 more yards, and 2 LESS ints.
Brady was Alex Smith before he got Moss, Welker, and Gronk.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:46 pm to theunknownknight
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Alex Smith did well in MVP voting too. Are you trying to make my point for me?
Did Alex Smith go on to win three NFL MVPs, seven Super Bowls, and retire #1 in just about every major statistical category?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:46 pm to MusclesofBrussels
Manning
Elway
Aikman
Young
Elway
Aikman
Young
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:46 pm to BregmansWheelbarrow
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word Mahomes is well on his way to surpassing Brady, let's be real, he's better. When he wins 8, we’ll talk
Who is the best NBA player of all time?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:48 pm to Dairy Sanders
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Brady was Alex Smith before he got Moss, Welker, and Gronk.
Alex Smith was picked #1; Brady was picked #199. Also...Brady had three Super Bowl championships and two Super Bowl MVPs before he got Moss. Also...he never won a Super Bowl with Moss.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:48 pm to RollTide1987
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Did Alex Smith go on to win three NFL MVPs, seven Super Bowls, and retire #1 in just about every major statistical category?
You're moving the goal posts
We are specifically saying that without Moss/Welker during the same time frame Mahomes has played, Brady was a game manager whereas Mahomes is the offense.
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