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re: Mahomes is the GOAT
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:49 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:49 pm to RollTide1987
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Alex Smith was picked #1; Brady was picked #199. Also...Brady had three Super Bowl championships and two Super Bowl MVPs before he got Moss. Also...he never won a Super Bowl with Moss.
Yea. All that…as a game manager. You know that's possible right. And Brady basically handed the ball of the Adam V to kick for the wins too.
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Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:49 pm to Dairy Sanders
Hard to know since the NBA has so many greats.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:50 pm to Masterag
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I’ll take Aikman,
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over Manning any day
You may want to get checked for CTE. Aikman isn’t the best QB in Cowboys history.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:50 pm to theunknownknight
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And yeah Moss bumped his numbers up a lot along with Welker. Two HOF receivers at once in their primes will do tha
Wait, do we believe Welker is a HOFer?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:51 pm to theunknownknight
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You're moving the goal posts
Because you moved them first.
I correctly pointed out that Brady was more than just a game manager in his second and third Super Bowl appearances. YOU were the one who brought up his statistics from the regular season as a retort.
A game manager isn't trusted to throw the football 50+ times in the biggest game of the year as he was in Super Bowl XXXVIII.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:52 pm to RollTide1987
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Brady had three Super Bowl championships and two Super Bowl MVPs before he got Moss
Imagine Manning with those defenses during that timeframe.
I feel like a good litmus test is when comparing two QBs from the same era, ask yourself, “if I swapped the QBs to the other’s team, would one have won more SBs?”
I have no doubt that Manning with those NE teams wins just as many if not more.
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:52 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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New prototype would be scared to run in harder hitting defense eras. Pretty easy to want to scramble when you get a 50% chance to get an extra 15
you’re right it’s better to be less
mobile in hard hitting defense eras.
Ask Theisman.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:53 pm to slackster
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Wait, do we believe Welker is a HOFer?
Yes
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:53 pm to Dairy Sanders
Aikman was a good QB on teams with superior talent.
Put him on the 90s Dolphins and he wouldn't win a SB.
Put him on the 90s Dolphins and he wouldn't win a SB.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:54 pm to cubsfan5150
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Imagine Manning with those defenses during that timeframe.
Imagine if Robert E. Lee had been born in Ohio instead of Virginia. We can play these what-if games all along but the fact of the matter is we'll never know what happened because we do not have the ability to peer into alternate universes.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:55 pm to RollTide1987
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I correctly pointed out that Brady was more than just a game manager in his second and third Super Bowl appearances. YOU were the one who brought up his statistics from the regular season as a retort.
A game manager isn't trusted to throw the football 50+ times in the biggest game of the year as he was in Super Bowl XXXVIII.
Yea, He played well in two SBs. But I specifically said “from start to finish” meaning the regular season and the playoffs.
He wasn't carrying those teams. It's clear you didn't watch back then if you think otherwise.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:55 pm to cubsfan5150
Swap Marino with Aikman and the Cowboys win more SBs.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:57 pm to RollTide1987
No, but we do have the ability to see how much a QB benefits from having a stellar defense year in and year out.
Very few if any have benefited as much as TB.
Very few if any have benefited as much as TB.
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:59 pm to theunknownknight
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But I specifically said “from start to finish” meaning the regular season and the playoffs.
No, you didn't. This is how it originally played out before I replied:
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Brady was a game manager QB for his first 3 Super Bowls.
Mahomes has been his teams offense.
To which, you said:
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No one with a brain would dispute this.
Mahomes is MILES ahead of where Brady was at this point on all fronts
To which I said:
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I mean...he (meaning Brady) threw for over 300 yards and 3 TDs in his second Super Bowl appearance. He then completed almost 70% of his passes and threw for two touchdowns in his third appearance.
I'll give you Super Bowl XXXVI as his stats in that game were very pedestrian.
To which you then moved the goal posts because you knew I was correct.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:59 pm to RollTide1987
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Did Alex Smith go on to win three NFL MVPs, seven Super Bowls, and retire #1 in just about every major statistical category?
No.
But no one is calling Alex Smith a HoFer and that’s who Brady was his first 8 or so years of the league. Actually, Smith was better given his circumstances.
Who is the better RB: Roger Craig or Barry Sanders? Terrell Davis or Adrian Peterson?
Who is the better WR: Michael Irvin or Calvin Johnson? Edelman or Larry Fitzgerald?
Who is the better TE: Benjamin Watson or Jason Witten? Marv Flemin or Tony Gonzalez?
Let’s see how consistent your nonsense is.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 11:01 pm to Smoke239
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Look at the season stats Brady put up with the Patriots before Moss got there.
For that era, no he wasn’t. He led the NFL in passing yards 2 years before Moss got there
Posted on 2/11/24 at 11:02 pm to Dairy Sanders
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But no one is calling Alex Smith a HoFer and that’s who Brady was his first 8 or so years of the league.
Brady had one NFL MVP to his name within his first eight years in the league compared to Alex Smith's zero, so already you are wrong. And considering Smith was the top pick in the 2005 NFL Draft and Brady went in the sixth round, their first eight years are not similar. Like...at all.
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 2/11/24 at 11:04 pm to RollTide1987
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Because you moved them first. I correctly pointed out that Brady was more than just a game manager in his second and third Super Bowl appearances. YOU were the one who brought up his statistics from the regular season as a retort. A game manager isn't trusted to throw the football 50+ times in the biggest game of the year as he was in Super Bowl XXXVIII.
Brady was absolutely a game manager in his third Super Bowl appearance.
His teams averaged more PPG in their losses than they did their wins. They were literally worse the more they asked of Brady and their success and performance was directly correlated with how much or how little they asked him to do.
Imagine calling yourself the GOAT/pretending a guy is the GOAT when Antowain Smith/LaGarette Blount are better options in the Super Bowl than you are.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 11:05 pm to theunknownknight
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Are we pretending Manning didn't throw 49 touchdowns around that time now?
He did that once. Outside that season, Manning averaged fewer than 30 TDs a season while in Indy and that was with two HOF receivers
Posted on 2/11/24 at 11:07 pm to RollTide1987
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Brady had one NFL MVP to his name within his first eight years in the league compared to Alex Smith's zero, so already you are wrong. And considering Smith was the top pick in the 2005 NFL Draft and Brady went in the sixth round, their first eight years are not similar. Like...at all
Bruh you are making my points for me. Smith was taken first because the Niners were trash and desperate for a QB.
Brady was taken so late because the Patriots were good and didn’t need his overrated arse. He would have been out of the league by 2003 if Bledsoe doesn’t get hurt.
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