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re: Justin Fields, the Chicago Bears and a quarterback conundrum
Posted on 1/2/24 at 2:00 pm to keakar
Posted on 1/2/24 at 2:00 pm to keakar
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and that is why JD will be a bust just like murray and fields are. running QBs are not QBs, they are running backs that can throw the ball
Daniels was arguably the best passer in college football this year. He was definitely the most efficient passer.
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Posted on 1/2/24 at 2:03 pm to shel311
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You have a top pick in a draft with 2 legit QB prospects.
Which 2?
Posted on 1/2/24 at 2:06 pm to RLDSC FAN
They could trade fields for a 2 and end up with Williams and another player that both bust and be worse off.
Fields isn’t great but he’s a middle of the pack qb with upside.
They could easily trade down twice and get a haul of picks and players
Fields isn’t great but he’s a middle of the pack qb with upside.
They could easily trade down twice and get a haul of picks and players
Posted on 1/2/24 at 2:14 pm to LSU-MNCBABY
quote:Sure, or they could end up with the next Mahomes and another All Pro player...
They could trade fields for a 2 and end up with Williams and another player that both bust and be worse off.
quote:You know what's a horrific idea? Not drafting a highly rated QB with the #1 pick for a middle of the pack QB.
Fields isn’t great but he’s a middle of the pack qb with upside.
quote:And still not have a top 20 NFL QB who you'll have to pay big money soon.
They could easily trade down twice and get a haul of picks and players
This post was edited on 1/2/24 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 1/2/24 at 2:15 pm to Bench McElroy
Over the past 3 years the Bears are 16-34.
Over the past 3 years the Bears are 10-27 with Fields as the starter.
Over the past 3 years the Bears are 6-7 with someone other than Fields at QB.
(Nathan Peterman, Trevor Siemian, Andy Daulton, Nick Foles, Tyson Bagent)
Over the past 3 years the Bears are 10-27 with Fields as the starter.
Over the past 3 years the Bears are 6-7 with someone other than Fields at QB.
(Nathan Peterman, Trevor Siemian, Andy Daulton, Nick Foles, Tyson Bagent)
Posted on 1/2/24 at 2:18 pm to RLDSC FAN
Not very quarterbacky
Posted on 1/2/24 at 2:18 pm to RLDSC FAN
Honestly Chicago now has a good enough defense to ride them to a championship with an adequate offense and some luck.
I could see them trade down and fortify with a defensive lineman and another weapon for Fields.
I could see them trade down and fortify with a defensive lineman and another weapon for Fields.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 2:24 pm to keakar
quote:
and that is why JD will be a bust just like murray and fields are. running QBs are not QBs, they are running backs that can throw the ball
Daniels isn't a throwing QB? Guess you missed this year
Posted on 1/2/24 at 2:24 pm to rmnldr
quote:They'd still need that adequate QB.
Honestly Chicago now has a good enough defense to ride them to a championship with an adequate offense and some luck.
I could see them trade down and fortify with a defensive lineman and another weapon for Fields.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 2:29 pm to LSU-MNCBABY
quote:
They could trade fields for a 2
Do you think GMs don't have access to the stats the OP posted?
Posted on 1/2/24 at 2:35 pm to RLDSC FAN
I don't think Fields is the answer, but I still think the better move is to trade down from the first pick. I just don't think Williams will work out long term either. If you can get a good to great haul and stay in the top 10, you would get a good QB plus some more assets to fill out a roster with a lot of holes.
With Fields, you would have to assume trading him prior to the draft would give them a little more leverage, so I would dump him right away. Even if he ends up being serviceable, he is close enough to getting out of his rookie contract so you might as well restart that clock since good QB's on their first deals are a cheat code with the salary cap.
With Fields, you would have to assume trading him prior to the draft would give them a little more leverage, so I would dump him right away. Even if he ends up being serviceable, he is close enough to getting out of his rookie contract so you might as well restart that clock since good QB's on their first deals are a cheat code with the salary cap.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 2:36 pm to keakar
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and that is why JD will be a bust just like murray and fields are. running QBs are not QBs, they are running backs that can throw the ball
So you are grouping Lamar and Fields in the same level of effectiveness?
Posted on 1/2/24 at 2:48 pm to RLDSC FAN
Wasn't there some stat regarding Fields around his draft that he threw something like 10 or fewer passes to his second read?
ETA: that would seem to track with him holding onto the ball longer than other QBs.
ETA: that would seem to track with him holding onto the ball longer than other QBs.
This post was edited on 1/2/24 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 1/2/24 at 2:52 pm to RLDSC FAN
He is not their answer, and if they cash in for even more 1sts and 2nes. You do it.
He cannot read the field or make a progression to save his life. It's why he's a 1 td a game qb. He can make a de miss and find some one wide open, then can't find a wide open wr while in pocket with time
He cannot read the field or make a progression to save his life. It's why he's a 1 td a game qb. He can make a de miss and find some one wide open, then can't find a wide open wr while in pocket with time
Posted on 1/2/24 at 3:18 pm to nicholastiger
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I’m not sure Williams is any better than fields Bryce young looked awful this year not all his fault
Either way, Williams plus $50m in cap space is almost certainly as good as fields on a non rookie contract
So there’s a good bit of upside to resetting before you end up 6-11 and have to be in qb purgatory
Posted on 1/2/24 at 3:32 pm to RLDSC FAN
quote:
conundrum
Trade him and pick a QB, it's pretty simple. He isn't the answer. He still has some trade value now too so it's not the worst thing in the world.
If I was a Bears fan, prior to this season I'd probably have been up in the air on it, but this season would have convinced me they need to move on. Regardless of who they think the top guy is, they need to draft a QB.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 3:50 pm to RLDSC FAN
I fail to see the conundrum. Fields has had 3 seasons to figure it out. He has yet to show any confidence that he can be a franchise QB. This is a deep draft for quarterbacks. If the Bears fail to draft a QB this year, they deserve to remain irrelevant for the next 15 years.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 3:50 pm to shel311
quote:
They'd still need that adequate QB.
How long do you have with their defense though? Will a drafted QB become better than what Fields can be in year two?
Posted on 1/2/24 at 3:56 pm to rmnldr
quote:I think Caleb Williams is better than Fields day 1.
Will a drafted QB become better than what Fields can be in year two?
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:02 pm to shel311
quote:
You have a top pick in a draft with 2 legit QB prospects
Mr.Fingernails screams bust to me..
I like Maye.
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