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re: Justin Fields, the Chicago Bears and a quarterback conundrum
Posted on 1/3/24 at 6:37 am to Hot Carl
Posted on 1/3/24 at 6:37 am to Hot Carl
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and that is why JD will be a bust just like murray and fields are. running QBs are not QBs, they are running backs that can throw the ball
Exactly, JD has no ability to throw the ball downfield. Geez this place never disappoints.
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Posted on 1/3/24 at 7:29 am to keakar
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and that is why JD will be a bust just like murray and fields are. running QBs are not QBs, they are running backs that can throw the ball
Murray isn’t quite a bust
Also, Lamar is an MVP candidate
Traditional QBs are certainly more common, but if you can pass (Daniels is an excellent passer) then being able to run is just an added advantage
Posted on 1/3/24 at 7:34 am to Bench McElroy
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The only justification for keeping him is if you have a massive amount of faith that Fields will be able to take his game to another level and be a top 5, top 10 QB. That's an enormous risk to take.
Which is so hard to believe given that his running ability and injury resilience will only continue to decline into the second contract. The only thing fields has ever really done that could be considered special is run (and usually in garbage time).
This post was edited on 1/3/24 at 7:36 am
Posted on 1/3/24 at 7:56 am to St Augustine
Growing up in Chicago and being old enough to have vague memories of Chicago QB’s being horrible way back in the Jim McMahon era, a few things are certain:
1) If the Bears trade the pick and keep Fields, bet the house on Caleb for ROY, and if you can parlay it with Fields shattering his ankle on a freak play in the pocket in week 2 go ahead and play that too.
2) If the Bears keep the pick and trade Fields, consider putting at least $50k on Fields for MVP next year.
1) If the Bears trade the pick and keep Fields, bet the house on Caleb for ROY, and if you can parlay it with Fields shattering his ankle on a freak play in the pocket in week 2 go ahead and play that too.
2) If the Bears keep the pick and trade Fields, consider putting at least $50k on Fields for MVP next year.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:11 am to RLDSC FAN
Bears fans who watch the Bears every week overwhelmingly want to keep Fields, for whatever that’s worth.
They’ve been a top 5 NFC team the last month and seem to be clicking.
They’ve been a top 5 NFC team the last month and seem to be clicking.
This post was edited on 1/3/24 at 9:14 am
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:44 am to rmnldr
I have a good feeling you can't articulate your position into a coherent post other than "Caleb Williams won't be good because he painted his nails!!!!"
7 TDs/10 INTs and a 73 QB Rating. Yea, I'll take the odds that Caleb Williams is better than that his rookie year. He'll also be better than year 3 Caleb Williams with 16 TD passes in 16 games and maybe top 25 level QB numbers.
7 TDs/10 INTs and a 73 QB Rating. Yea, I'll take the odds that Caleb Williams is better than that his rookie year. He'll also be better than year 3 Caleb Williams with 16 TD passes in 16 games and maybe top 25 level QB numbers.
This post was edited on 1/3/24 at 10:16 am
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:49 am to ChiGator
quote:You are what you consistently do, not that 1 pass that 1 time in that 1 game.
The problem with looking at his stats like this from a boxscore vacuum is you don’t get the full story. VS the Browns, He threw a 65 yard DIME on the button to Robert Tonyan that Tonyan just flat out dropped. That goes for a TD and changes that entire game. Both of his INTs in this game were on Hail Mary throws and one of them literally hit the turf and the NFL never changed the ruling for some reason lol.
Vs Detroit, late in the 4th Q, he throws another deep shot dime to rookie Tyler Scott. Scott inexplicably slows down on the route and misses him by a foot. If he connects on that the Bears beat Detroit.
Fields has consistently been maybe the 25th best QB in the NFL for 3 years running now.
You also don't need a boxscore to see he's a 1 read QB who after 3 years still doesn't know how to go through progressions while staying calm in the pocket. If his 1st option isn't there, he's pretty lost. Heck, I may actually be incorrect because he doesn't tuck and run immediately so maybe he's trying to go through progressions but point being, he can't do it.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:29 am to Fun Bunch
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Its pretty easy. Your team isn't close to competing.
Reset the clock on a contract with a new QB, trade Fields for what you can get.
100% this. Set to have a $6M cap hit next year, then you get to make a 5th year option decision. Or send him off for a conditional pick based on whether he's still on the roster of the team you trade him to in 2025.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:37 am to keakar
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and that is why JD will be a bust just like murray and fields are. running QBs are not QBs, they are running backs that can throw the ball
Neither Murray or Fields are busts. Fields will start somewhere next year. Also Lamar Jackson is on the verge of winning a 2nd MVP. Tribisky and Darnold were busts should teams avoid pocket passers?
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:06 am to shel311
He’s not a 1-read QB. He’s actually grown in that area. His problem is he takes too long to process and takes too many sacks. And I also have a hard time taking your opinion seriously at all. You think the Saints and Bears are comparable situations right now when they’re not even remotely similar. You clearly don’t watch the Bears.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:21 am to Locoguan0
quote:So you recognize the exagerrated claims about this so called special p5 " development " these players are getting? They scout/ recruit in a talent rich region & boast about their clichéd " development ".
This is the state of football now. Many of these QBs do not know how to play QB. They are two checks and run athletes. They get to the NFL, which is full of elite athletes, and do not have the skills to play the game.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:33 am to ChiGator
quote:You got the wrong poster, I've never made any such comparison of the Bears to the Saints.
And I also have a hard time taking your opinion seriously at all. You think the Saints and Bears are comparable situations right now when they’re not even remotely similar. You clearly don’t watch the Bears.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:42 am to Locoguan0
quote:or you can say intelligence to play the game right, but that would create a controversy concerning the "Black athlete" if you say that. So, you can't use that vernacular, but I agree with what you're saying. It started with Michael Vick and has now progressed to the point where athletes playing QB are drafted in the 1st round over pocket passing QBs now because that is how much the game has changed. Athletic QBs are hard to stop because they can run so well out in space, once the play falls apart they can use their legs to make a big play. Lamar Jackson is the MVP this season, ans I don't see it cahnging anytime soon.
This is the state of football now. Many of these QBs do not know how to play QB. They are two checks and run athletes. They get to the NFL, which is full of elite athletes, and do not have the skills to play the game.
This post was edited on 1/3/24 at 11:43 am
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:46 am to shel311
Ah my b. That was the other Pelicans fan.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 3:59 pm to ChiGator
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But let’s not act like JF doesn’t still ooze potential. QB development is not linear and he’s shown unbelievable flashes.
I basically agree with your entire opinion. If only Justin showed more consistency this year as a passer the decision would be pretty easy. Also, he misses a handful of games each year due to injury so you have to understand that part.
Overall I think the Bears hype will be huge this summer after all the dust settles.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 4:08 pm to Cole Beer
I’m still waiting for someone to tell me why and how Williams will be an upgrade as a rookie over an experienced Fields…
Posted on 1/3/24 at 4:12 pm to chew4219
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Trade down…always trade down.
Just imagine if Chicago trades down AGAIN, and it helps them win a Super Bowl. They could set a trend that lasts a long time and look like geniuses.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 4:15 pm to Cole Beer
quote:Yea, if a dude isn't very good but has awesome flashes in year 1, that's cool.
If only Justin showed more consistency this year as a passer the decision would be pretty easy.
If a dude is only giving you glimpses but the other 99% of the time he's just an objectively bad QB, and year 3 is coming to an end, that's not good.
I've mentioned it once or twice and would ask again, who is the comp of a highly drafted dude who actually played his 1st 3 seasons and was never a top 20 QB, then eventually went on to become a really good and reliable QB.
You usually have a good idea by year 2 and basically every QB I can think of popped by year 3 of actual playing games.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 4:17 pm to dukke v
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I’m still waiting for someone to tell me why and how Williams will be an upgrade as a rookie over an experienced Fields…
That seems to be the consensus among draft analysts and media types that cover this stuff, right or wrong. Caleb's highlights are a hybrid of Rodgers and Mahomes and his ceiling is through the roof.
I don't grind tape though, so who the hell knows for sure.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 4:23 pm to shel311
I would say, his rookie year was basically a wash. Nagy didn't cater an offense to his strengths or help him out at all. I'm not sure any QB could have gotten any better in that situation.
Year 2, they were actively tanking with hardly any talent. Also they did not cater the offense for him until mid season.
This year Moore was awesome and I like Kmet, but they need more weapons. Also some interior O-line upgrades.
Year 2, they were actively tanking with hardly any talent. Also they did not cater the offense for him until mid season.
This year Moore was awesome and I like Kmet, but they need more weapons. Also some interior O-line upgrades.
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