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re: Just go ahead and either cancel these bowl games or expand the playoffs
Posted on 12/31/20 at 11:38 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Posted on 12/31/20 at 11:38 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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How about cancel the playoffs and just play the bowl games?
Bet they'd be real popular and players wouldn't opt-out.
This would make no difference and they'd still opt out.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 11:41 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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36 teams TOTAL make the postseason and it would actually mean something to play in a bowl game again.
Why do people keep saying this...it's not true and people would still opt out as much as they are now. Before the playoff the vast majority of the bowls were meaningless exhibitions, just like they are now. The shift that's happened is players with NFL aspirations have become more cautious about protecting their futures by not playing in these games. I can't say I blame them.
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No more Weedeater, Mayo, and Potato bowls.
How dare you.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:22 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Yea this “opt out culture” is 100% going to be the driving force to major change in college football. I agree, not only is it not going to stop, but it’s going to accelerate. There’s NOTHING that can be done to get kids to play in exhibition bowl games anymore. Just the way it is. The sooner everyone accepts that, the faster we can move to a 16 team playoff. 50% CFP committee + 50% BCS formula to rank the field.
10 game regular season for ALL schools. 9 league games +1 non league game.
16 Teams: P5 Conference Champs + G5 Conference Champs + 6 at Large
Sweet 16 = home games for higher seeded teams
Elite 8 = Fiesta, Cotton, Sugar and Peach
Final 4 = Rose and Orange (Those 6 bowls rotate)
Championship = Los Angeles, Las Vegas and Indianapolis rotation.
It’s the only way college football survives in my opinion. FCS, DII and DIII all use this formula to decide a champion, why can’t DI?
10 game regular season for ALL schools. 9 league games +1 non league game.
16 Teams: P5 Conference Champs + G5 Conference Champs + 6 at Large
Sweet 16 = home games for higher seeded teams
Elite 8 = Fiesta, Cotton, Sugar and Peach
Final 4 = Rose and Orange (Those 6 bowls rotate)
Championship = Los Angeles, Las Vegas and Indianapolis rotation.
It’s the only way college football survives in my opinion. FCS, DII and DIII all use this formula to decide a champion, why can’t DI?
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:29 pm to Buckeye Backer
This would’ve been the CFP bracket.
#1 Alabama vs #16 BYU
#2 Clemson vs #15 Iowa
#3 Ohio St vs #14 North Carolina
#4 Notre Dame vs #13 Northwestern (assuming they’d flip flop NW and UNC to avoid rematches)
#5 Texas AM vs #12 Coastal Carolina
#6 Oklahoma vs #11 Indiana
#7 Florida vs #10 Iowa St
#8 Cincinnati vs #9 Georgia
#1 Alabama vs #16 BYU
#2 Clemson vs #15 Iowa
#3 Ohio St vs #14 North Carolina
#4 Notre Dame vs #13 Northwestern (assuming they’d flip flop NW and UNC to avoid rematches)
#5 Texas AM vs #12 Coastal Carolina
#6 Oklahoma vs #11 Indiana
#7 Florida vs #10 Iowa St
#8 Cincinnati vs #9 Georgia
Posted on 12/31/20 at 3:05 pm to castorinho
OU gets into the playoffs regularly. You have no reason to ruin the current arrangement. OU will get smoked if 4 or 8 or any power of 2.
The bowls are fine, they are a source of money for the entities who organize them. How much are you willing to invest in stopping entrepreneurs (AKA bowl sponsors) from carrying out their ventures, which also provides us with football to watch?
But, expanding the playoffs is also an independently terrible idea, regardless of OU. Expand the regular season. Add a dynamic schedule element to middle of the regular season which pits teams of equal record against teams from other conferences, specifically to systematically, eliminate undefeated teams before the season is halfway done AND takes away the committee's excuse of not enough shared competition on resumes and quality data points.
Why do you hate America?
The bowls are fine, they are a source of money for the entities who organize them. How much are you willing to invest in stopping entrepreneurs (AKA bowl sponsors) from carrying out their ventures, which also provides us with football to watch?
But, expanding the playoffs is also an independently terrible idea, regardless of OU. Expand the regular season. Add a dynamic schedule element to middle of the regular season which pits teams of equal record against teams from other conferences, specifically to systematically, eliminate undefeated teams before the season is halfway done AND takes away the committee's excuse of not enough shared competition on resumes and quality data points.
Why do you hate America?
Posted on 12/31/20 at 4:34 pm to boston vol
quote:Alabama wasn't in the playoffs last year. My honest opinion is that they would have slaughtered Oklahoma and would have given any of the other teams a serious fight.quote:
12 team playoff would be great
No it would not. There have three competitive semifinals in six years. Why expand it to include more undeserving teams?
Don't forget, they face-planted hard in the first half against LSU, and still lost by less than a TD. I didn't want a rematch.
There are plenty of other historical examples... take LSU in the 2001 season. 3 loss team, NOBODY wanted any piece of them in a playoff game.
12 or 16 teams would be ideal. You have less concerns about getting the resume perfect, and instead pick the teams who could make runs. There's a lot of teams that peak late and don't get a chance, and just as many that luck into an easy schedule and sneak in on record and reputation.
I grew up loving the bowls, but they're dead now. Go ahead and make the playoffs a serious option. SEC played 10, ACC played 11, adjust the regular season accordingly, the game count doesn't matter. The extra games played by LSU last year (SEC Championship, 2 playoff games) didn't hurt anyone.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 4:48 pm to Buckeye Backer
That wouldn’t have been the playoff because you don’t have Oregon in there and you don’t have Ball or SJSU in it
This would’ve been the playoff
1. Alabama (SEC) vs 16 UAB (CUSA)
8. Cincinnati (AAC) vs 9 Georgia (At large)
4. Notre Dame (At Large) vs 13 Oregon (Pac 12)
5 Texas A&M (At large) vs 12 Coastal Carolina (SBC)
2 Clemson (ACC) vs 15 Ball st (MAC)
7 Florida (At large) vs 10 Iowa St (At Large)
3 Ohio St (Big 10) vs 14 San Jose St (MWC)
6 Oklahoma (Big XII) vs 11 Indiana (At Large)
It needs to be 24 but that’s a whole different argument and this committee didn’t take seeding seriously
This would’ve been the playoff
1. Alabama (SEC) vs 16 UAB (CUSA)
8. Cincinnati (AAC) vs 9 Georgia (At large)
4. Notre Dame (At Large) vs 13 Oregon (Pac 12)
5 Texas A&M (At large) vs 12 Coastal Carolina (SBC)
2 Clemson (ACC) vs 15 Ball st (MAC)
7 Florida (At large) vs 10 Iowa St (At Large)
3 Ohio St (Big 10) vs 14 San Jose St (MWC)
6 Oklahoma (Big XII) vs 11 Indiana (At Large)
It needs to be 24 but that’s a whole different argument and this committee didn’t take seeding seriously
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 12/31/20 at 6:09 pm to sms151t
For me as a fan, I will never spend my money going to a bowl game unless it is the CFP and Natty. There is no point in spending money to go watch a meaningless scrimmage, not to mention most star players quit.
I much prefer to continue spending my money to go the big OOC games like LSU at Texas, LSU at UCLA in the Rose Bowl, LSU vs Wisconsin at Lambeau, etc. or conference road games where I haven’t been yet. These games still matter and count and are a lot more fun than the meaningless scrimmages bowl games.
I much prefer to continue spending my money to go the big OOC games like LSU at Texas, LSU at UCLA in the Rose Bowl, LSU vs Wisconsin at Lambeau, etc. or conference road games where I haven’t been yet. These games still matter and count and are a lot more fun than the meaningless scrimmages bowl games.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 6:13 pm to tigers25
Yes that’s what I meant...you are correct. I just took the top 16 and that was lazy on my behalf. You’re scenario is 100% correct and that would’ve been awesome to see play out.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 6:44 pm to sms151t
quote:I gotta love seeing the Sun Belt champ ahead of not just the Mountain West, MAC or CUSA teams, but also the Pac 12
This would’ve been the playoff
1. Alabama (SEC) vs 16 UAB (CUSA)
8. Cincinnati (AAC) vs 9 Georgia (At large)
4. Notre Dame (At Large) vs 13 Oregon (Pac 12)
5 Texas A&M (At large) vs 12 Coastal Carolina (SBC)
2 Clemson (ACC) vs 15 Ball st (MAC)
7 Florida (At large) vs 10 Iowa St (At Large)
3 Ohio St (Big 10) vs 14 San Jose St (MWC)
6 Oklahoma (Big XII) vs 11 Indiana (At Large)
That conference has come a long ways.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 6:55 pm to castorinho
This would have been the best year to experiment. Cancel all bowl games and have a true playoff system using conference champs and 4 at large bids taken from whatever poll you think is the best.
16 teams, 8 games.......one true champ at the end. It would have been very interesting and exciting to see the outcome.
16 teams, 8 games.......one true champ at the end. It would have been very interesting and exciting to see the outcome.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 6:59 pm to Buckeye Backer
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I never thought I’d say this, but there’s absolutely nothing that can make these players actually care about these bowl games anymore.
The ONLY thing that could stop this shite would be a large number of NFL GMs holding it against guys who quit their college teams.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 7:33 pm to VADawg
quote:you saw the Christian McCaffrey 4 year old thread bump today. It seemed to have worked out for him, therefore NFL GMs won’t do so. Why would they?
The ONLY thing that could stop this shite would be a large number of NFL GMs holding it against guys who quit their college teams.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 7:42 pm to sms151t
quote:FOH
16 UAB (CUSA)
quote:FOH
13 Oregon (Pac 12)
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12 Coastal Carolina (SBC)
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15 Ball st (MAC)
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7 Florida (At large)
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10 Iowa St (At Large)
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14 San Jose St (MWC)
FOH FOH FOH
Posted on 12/31/20 at 7:45 pm to Buckeye Backer
quote:Nor should there.
I never thought I’d say this, but there’s absolutely nothing that can make these players actually care about these bowl games anymore
When that much money is on the line, do anything you can to preserve it. These kids owe their families more than their university or college teammates.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 11:23 pm to castorinho
Advocating for less football is something I will never understand about the MSB.
If it's that's boring, don't watch it.
If it's that's boring, don't watch it.
Posted on 1/1/21 at 12:45 am to dcrews
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Advocating for less football is something I will never understand about the MSB.
If it's that's boring, don't watch it.
I don't mind watching Appalachian st vs Miami (OH).
Watching OU play vs Fla scout team, however,is not appealing
Posted on 1/1/21 at 1:01 am to SportsGuyNOLA
But only for Power 5 teams, then for G5 teams do a FCS style playoff.
This post was edited on 1/1/21 at 1:02 am
Posted on 1/1/21 at 9:55 am to chalmetteowl
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It seemed to have worked out for him, therefore NFL GMs won’t do so. Why would they?
I would love to see NFL GMs say that it is an indictment of their character and that they want nothing to do with any player who quits when things get tough.
Posted on 1/1/21 at 10:15 am to VADawg
quote:But nfl GMs want to win and keep their jobs. So that's not going to happen
would love to see NFL GMs say that it is an indictment of their character and that they want nothing to do with any player who quits when things get tough.
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