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re: JJ Redick: There's a double standard for white GMs and owners compared to black athletes
Posted on 7/26/18 at 3:30 pm to Bench McElroy
Posted on 7/26/18 at 3:30 pm to Bench McElroy
He's right. If the players were white, owners and GM's wouldn't care one bit about maximizing profit. It's all racial.
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Posted on 7/26/18 at 3:31 pm to Bench McElroy
The Raptors did just take a bit of a PR hit when they traded one of their most loyal and best players ever.
Fans and players alike had harsh critiques
Fans and players alike had harsh critiques
This post was edited on 7/26/18 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 7/26/18 at 3:39 pm to Bench McElroy
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"When white owners and white GMs, primarily, when they make a trade that they deem in the best interest of their organization, they don't receive that same backlash. Why is that?"
I'm not sure how true this is. I think owners and GMs get their fair share of backlash when they make moves the fans don't like. Sure fans get pissed, but that's because they invest their time, money and emotions into following a sport.
While I believe more people understand the business of modern sports more than ever before, if a front office or player forces an unpopular move, it still taps into basic feelings of betrayal and greed with fans. I doubt there's much of a racial component behind it.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 3:43 pm to Bench McElroy
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Every time there's a work stoppage in any sport, the overwhelming majority of fans are upset at the African-American athletes and not the rich, white owners who are squeezing every last dollar they can -- who are already profitable and are already rich.
I mean....I blame the players every single time because without the owners they don’t have a job here. The owners and the league have the power.
The owners don’t need the paycheck from the team to get by, the players do, hell, Delonte West had to work at an Office Max or some shite during the last lockout.
And no, i’ll never sympathize with a professional athlete regarding their pay or what they ‘deserve’ financially.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 3:48 pm to Bench McElroy
His comparison is stupid because nobody cares about the owner or gm. Those guys aren’t celebrities. The ones who reach celebrity status get criticized for everything just like coaches get criticized for everything. Consider Jerry Jones.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 3:51 pm to Bench McElroy
Well the players get backlash bc we wanna see them compete J. We don’t wanna see guys spitting in the face of the spirit of competition to form super teams. I love the warriors and think they are great for the league. but for players having to make a super team a la lebron in Miami is kinda an admission that you couldn’t get your title any other way. The owners goal is to make money in most cases so we don’t judge the owner the same way for making the super team.
This post was edited on 7/26/18 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 7/26/18 at 3:55 pm to rebel of fortune
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Most fans are fans of the team not the players. They see what’s good for their team and not for players. It is pretty easy JJ.
this is not the case in the NBA. Tons of individual player fan boys.
This post was edited on 7/26/18 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 7/26/18 at 3:56 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Toronto ownership has gotten a good amount of backlash from the DeRozan trade in the court of public opinion.
Have you ever seen Masai Ujiri? That’s why.....
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:00 pm to Bench McElroy
I feel like a lot of those people in here that are taking issue with what JJ said are...
triggered.
triggered.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:05 pm to papz
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Dammit. I liked Redick.
So you're saying you can't like him anymore because you disagree with one view of his?
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:06 pm to Ancient Astronaut
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Exactly. JJ doesn’t have a point here.
Eh, he sort of has a point. People accept business decisions from owners and GM's that place $ and wins above loyalty. A player absolutely gets more backlash from placing money and wins over loyalty.
I'm less sold on the racial component. A lot of people just simply think that players should be loyal. You see the same criticism in college. A coach leaves prior to a bowl game, it's a blip. A player sits to preserve his draft status, he gets criticism for disloyalty.
The correlation to race is more about how owners and GM's are generally a whiter popultion, but correlation doesn't always mean causation.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:27 pm to Rep520
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I'm less sold on the racial component. A lot of people just simply think that players should be loyal. You see the same criticism in college. A coach leaves prior to a bowl game, it's a blip. A player sits to preserve his draft status, he gets criticism for disloyalty.
Also look at recruiting boards when a kid decommits and goes elsewhere. People go mental.
Elway got tons of backlash for threatening to play baseball instead of play for the Colts. Gretzky was called a traitor for leaving Edmonton. This happens in all sports, and it's nothing new.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:28 pm to Rep520
Yeh race has nothing to do with it
Unless JJ can show me how white players leave and nobody cares
And I mean white superstars
So like all 2 of them
Unless JJ can show me how white players leave and nobody cares
And I mean white superstars
So like all 2 of them
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:45 pm to JetsetNuggs
quote:True. Also hurting his argument here is that the GM responsible for the particular trade that sparked his discussion is Masai Ujiri, who is black.
Gordon Hayward got his fair share of outrage for doing what was best for him in FA.
Not saying Redick is completely wrong, but it's not that black and white. Pun intended.
I think a bigger part of it is that players are visibly rich and in front of them all the time so there is a type of contempt that some uninformed fans will have for them complaining in any way about their circumstances. The predominantly white MLB players faced significant hostility when they went on strike in 1994.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:59 pm to Bench McElroy
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When white owners and white GMs, primarily, when they make a trade that they deem in the best interest of their organization, they don't receive that same backlash. Why is that?"
This is beyond stupid. Owners/gms receive a shite ton of backlash all the time for stupid contracts given out in free agency. Nobody blames the player for getting the money. And no, pointing out that paying timofey mozgov $16 million/year is stupid isn't blaming the player.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 5:00 pm to Bench McElroy
I remember all of the football strikes since the 70s and honestly never associated them with African Americans. Never really gave that part of it a thought.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 5:03 pm to eddieray
No backlash for owners? Has JJ ever met James Dolan?
Posted on 7/26/18 at 5:06 pm to BluegrassBelle
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don’t think there’s necessarily a racial component to it as much as there is a player vs. owner component. Have and have nots when it comes to control I guess?
I’ll also say, Toronto ownership has gotten a good amount of backlash from the DeRozan trade in the court of public opinion.
This.
I'm pretty goddamn tired of people trying to make everything into a race deal.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 5:08 pm to lsupride87
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Yeh race has nothing to do with it
Unless JJ can show me how white players leave and nobody cares
And I mean white superstars
So like all 2 of them
I'm not sure exactly how I feel on this. I mean, how many people dislike Eli Manning because he refused to go play in San Diego? But at the same time, basketball is just so different because of the impact one guy can have on the team and there's not a comparison I can think of at the moment of a top 3 white athlete leaving his team that hasn't won a championship, to go to another city.
I'm sure it's happened in baseball, I'm just not smart enough to think of it. We'll know more after Bryce Harper leaves for the Yankees this spring.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 5:08 pm to Bench McElroy
quote:
DeMar DeRozan being traded to the Spurs against his will.
Against his will? Big Boy signed that contract, for a fat check, and immediately became a piece of property.
Was anybody holding a gun to his head?
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