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re: Is there really a difference with these replacement refs
Posted on 9/3/12 at 1:33 pm to wallowinit
Posted on 9/3/12 at 1:33 pm to wallowinit
I don't think it will be nearly as bad as the chicken little types are predicting.
I do wish they'd give each team an extra challenge and give the booth more authority on the reviews, though.
I do wish they'd give each team an extra challenge and give the booth more authority on the reviews, though.
Posted on 9/3/12 at 1:43 pm to MinnesotaTiger
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On the coin toss that opened the Hall of Fame game, replacement referee Craig Ochoa announced that the Saints had won the toss and deferred, then quickly corrected himself, saying that the Cardinals had won the toss. As omens go, this is like walking out of the house for your first day on the job and falling straight down a mineshaft.
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A few days later, Ochoa revealed his tenuous grasp on geography by referring to the Atlanta Falcons as “Arizona” several times during penalty announcements, in Atlanta. In fairness, Ochoa refereed for the Arizona Cardinals the previous week (in Canton, nowhere near Arizona), and may have had post-traumatic stress disorder from that difficult coin toss.
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During the Giants-Jaguars game, Giants rookie Jayron Hosley was flagged for holding on a punt return. What made this a curious call was that Hosley was the one returning the punt. And while it may be technically possible for him to also be guilty of holding, it’s hardly likely. Inspection of the tape revealed that the penalty should have been called on Michael Coe, who wears No. 37, not Hosley, No. 36. It was the most baffling of many player misidentifications during the preseason; in another instance, a guard was called for a snap violation.
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The large television audience who tuned in for Robert Griffin’s NFL debut saw the most head-scratching error of the preseason, as a downed punt by Ruvell Martin at the five-yard line was somehow ruled a touchback. Martin fielded the ball cleanly and was nowhere near the end zone. There was no ambiguity whatsoever, except in the minds of the officials, who forced a livid Chan Gailey to use a challenge flag on a play that should have been as routine as, well, a downed punt.
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Chargers safety Eric Weddle committed a clear helmet-to-helmet hit against a Cowboys receiver; the ball popped in the air after the foul, and a Chargers defender intercepted it. The replacements got the foul right but did not quite understand that the roughness penalty negates the turnover: The Chargers retained the ball, but were pushed back 15 yards.
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Nothing inspires confidence in officiating like seeing a referee react with recoiling terror at the football lobbed in his direction after the play, as Jerry Frump did in the Eagles-Patriots preseason game. Frump’s blunder was one of many slapstick moments for the replacement refs, who faced the wrong way when announcing penalties, lost track of how many footballs were on the field, and used arcane syntax that sounded like they were in a badly dubbed anime movie. (“The down remains three!?”)
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The Giants punted in the second quarter of their preseason finale against the Patriots. Flags flew. Referee Don King turned on the microphone, and suddenly a football game became a night at the Improv.
King’s hand signals looked like a cross between standard NFL penalty symbols, semaphore and a drunk trying to do the “Achy Breaky.” His baffling announcement sounded like Andy Kaufman doing Latka Gravas. “We have fouls by both teams, during kick. We have illegal shift by the kicking team. After the kick …” A second official could then be heard, by everyone but King, shouting that both fouls were on the kicking team. “Then after the kick we have a 15-yard penalty …” the referee points in both directions half-heartedly. “Chosen to re-kick. Five-yard penalty.”
Posted on 9/3/12 at 1:55 pm to wallowinit
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I don't see it.
Hellen Keller, is that you?
Posted on 9/3/12 at 1:58 pm to chRxis
I'm not saying there isn't a difference. But I'd be willing to bet most of the people replying with
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Don't actually see a big difference and are just going off what the announcers and players are saying...
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Don't actually see a big difference and are just going off what the announcers and players are saying...
Posted on 9/3/12 at 2:04 pm to Tiger1242
Dude, there's clearly a big difference.
Posted on 9/3/12 at 2:05 pm to SPEEDY
Posted on 9/3/12 at 2:06 pm to arrakis
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Which raises the question.....was Peter King on the sideline standing close enough to hear the exchange or is he repeating 2nd and 3rd hand info as facts? Probably the latter since he doesn't ID the game and reporters aren't allowed in the team box.
Obviously he wasn't on the sidelines to hear this himself. Most sports reporting in general isn't done on his first hand accounts.
You think Adam Schefter just happens to be in the meeting when a trade talk happens or someone just tells him?
If you think King was told bad or exaggerated info just say so. Don't dance around it.
Posted on 9/3/12 at 2:09 pm to wallowinit
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Is there really a difference with these replacement refs
No, clearly the countless not only miffed calls, but hilarious conferences before announcing the penalties, and then screwing that up even....seems pretty run of the mill.
This post was edited on 9/3/12 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 9/3/12 at 2:19 pm to jacks40
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If you think King was told bad or exaggerated info just say so. Don't dance around it.
Not dancin'; just that he included no credible facts to back up his assertion. It makes him look like he writes for Bleacher Report.
Posted on 9/3/12 at 2:31 pm to arrakis
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Not dancin'; just that he included no credible facts to back up his assertion. It makes him look like he writes for Bleacher Report.
If you think King is the equivalent of Bleacher Report then you have a bias on the issue.
Even without a named source his name alone carries more weight than a random bleacher report writer.
Posted on 9/3/12 at 4:02 pm to wallowinit
The replacements are worse, but I dont think the difference is as big as everyone seems to believe.
Posted on 9/3/12 at 4:06 pm to wallowinit
Did you not watch the preseason? And I don't mean just Saints games. Every game.
These jokers call anything remotely close PI.
They won't fair well IMO to the speed of the game. Especially the real ones.
Players gonna test em early and often to see what they can get away with. It just makes for a pathetic situation.
These jokers call anything remotely close PI.
They won't fair well IMO to the speed of the game. Especially the real ones.
Players gonna test em early and often to see what they can get away with. It just makes for a pathetic situation.
Posted on 9/3/12 at 4:08 pm to MinnesotaTiger
I don't think it will be nearly as bad as the chicken little types are predicting.
The game still deserves to be professionally officiated by the best. It's the N-F-freaking-L.
These guys are not even remotely close to the best. Again did you watch the preseason? It was a clusterfrick. We'll see.
The game still deserves to be professionally officiated by the best. It's the N-F-freaking-L.
These guys are not even remotely close to the best. Again did you watch the preseason? It was a clusterfrick. We'll see.
Posted on 9/3/12 at 6:40 pm to wallowinit
... absolutely ... fer chrissake 
Posted on 9/5/12 at 7:05 am to GeauxGus
who's to say some of these guys haven't received a check to make shitty calls from the real refs union?
it would make sense for both parties, and if i were a real ref with my livelihood on the line i would find ways to encourage the replacement refs to frick up
it would make sense for both parties, and if i were a real ref with my livelihood on the line i would find ways to encourage the replacement refs to frick up
Posted on 9/5/12 at 7:35 am to sgallo3
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who's to say some of these guys haven't received a check to make shitty calls from the real refs union?
That would be like someone paying another person to run a 15s/100m in the Olmpics when they know that's the best they can run anyway.
Only a dumbass would believe they would risk losing their officiating career, their full time career, and prison by doing that. We are all grateful you aren't a ref.
Posted on 9/5/12 at 7:53 am to arrakis
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Only a dumbass would believe they would risk losing their officiating career, their full time career, and prison by doing that.
dont get me wrong i dont think the refs have enough money put aside to make it happen... it would be handled through a third party by the union
Posted on 9/5/12 at 8:20 am to sgallo3
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dont get me wrong i dont think the refs have enough money put aside to make it happen... it would be handled through a third party by the union
You still haven't answered why anyone would risk their NFL career, their fulltime career, and prison by paying someone to do what they'll do anyway. The NFL refs know the replacements can't do the job so why would they bribe them.....
Again, only a dumbass would believe they would.
Posted on 9/5/12 at 8:23 am to arrakis
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risk their NFL career, their fulltime career, and prison by paying someone to do what they'll do anyway.
it would seem that is already at risk... especially if the replacements came in and didn't frick up majorly
officials dont have ANY history of doing illegal things when money is at stake tho
people will bend the rules when their livelihood is at stake
This post was edited on 9/5/12 at 8:31 am
Posted on 9/30/12 at 6:42 pm to wallowinit
Like I was saying...
except for a Saints penalty on the field goal the Packers lose this one on the folly of at least TWO blown calls
...there wasn't any significant difference.
except for "yay, real refs"
except for a Saints penalty on the field goal the Packers lose this one on the folly of at least TWO blown calls
...there wasn't any significant difference.
except for "yay, real refs"
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