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re: Horace Grant says Michael Jordan lied constantly in 'Last Dance', calls him a 'snitch'
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:33 am to MF Doom
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:33 am to MF Doom
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a story about MJ being a bad dad probably memorized
I copied it from a Marcus Jordan quote. I don't think it makes MJ look like a bad father, just competitive about everything.
And yeah, I think MJ is the presumptive GOAT. He's not the GOAT at everything and has flaws, but he's #1 until and unless someone knocks him off. It surprises me people think that's hate.
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:52 am to wheelz007
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The shade thrown at Scottie Pippen is repulsive. Go check out the box scores of the '91
Pippen switching onto Magic changed the whole series. The Lakers won Game 1 in Chicago Stadium and took home court advantage.
Phil switched Pippen onto Magic and the Lakers never won again. To this day, I think it's the best individual defensive performance in semi-modern day NBA (I never saw Russell, but I know how good he was).
It's too bad the doc didn't dwell in things like that with Pippen.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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Would like to see how MJ would have acted in this era with social media
would never have made it
a media that isn't sucking his dick constantly and social media exposing him for the psycho that he is/was would have completely re-shaped how people view him
I don't see how people don't understand that Jordan was who he was on the court because he was deficient and neglectful in the normal human aspect of his life. I am absolutely convinced that to be what Jordan was, you have to be focused on your career. Add in his absurdly competitive to a fault side and it motivated him to do things no one else can do. You simply don't see it in today's athletes. As a consequence of that nature that he cannot turn off, he is truly alone. Being surrounded by sycophants is not a good life.
To that end, why must the media seek to destroy someone like that? Enjoy his prolific side and ignore his faults. His personal life speaks for itself as does his career.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 10:08 am to MF Doom
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Really? Sounds like an angry dude rambling because he got called out for snitching
That’s exactly what it sounds like. He didn’t like the way he was potrayed and is bitching about MJ lying but then also bitching about him keeping it real with the strippers and coke? Can’t have it both ways Horace.
If anything, this confirms it was absolutely him and Phil that leaked stuff to Sam Smith.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 11:32 am to TexasTiger08
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This dude cannot take any criticism. The whole documentary process was solely because he was jealous Lebron was getting attention after bringing a title to Cleveland.
Watching him laugh at Gary Payton’s quote in episode 8 was sad. The dude just couldn’t respect another good player.
I wouldn’t have wanted to be interviewed for that if I was a fellow player. This wasn’t about the Bulls’ “Last Dance.” It was 10 hours of people sucking off MJ and biting their lip in the process.
Terrible analysis. No one is worried about Lebron passing jordan outside of Lenbron and his fan boys. It's not happening. Quit bringing it up
Posted on 5/20/20 at 11:46 am to CP3LSU25
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No one is worried about Lebron passing jordan
lebron passed Jordan a few years ago
only the emotionally brainwashed believe otherwise
Posted on 5/20/20 at 11:51 am to rocket31
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lebron passed Jordan a few years ago
No he didn't.
LeBron has a case for GOAT, but saying he's passed MJ is just as bad as team MJ saying LeBron will never have a chance. There's no chance LeBron is definitively better at this point.
This post was edited on 5/20/20 at 11:52 am
Posted on 5/20/20 at 11:54 am to Rep520
stats suggest otherwise.
jordans best season was his rookie year and he never really improved upon those numbers, they fall right in line with his career avgs
the rosy retrospection of the Jordan and 1990s era will eventually fade away, that is the only thing propping it up at this point. that and fake documentaries
lebron has access to the latest sports science and technology, might be the most cerebral player of all time, and is 50 lbs heavier, and 5 inches taller than MJ - but i am supposed to believe he is not as good?
there is not even an argument at this point beyond the 6-0 vs 3-5 argument and that is just faulty math
jordans best season was his rookie year and he never really improved upon those numbers, they fall right in line with his career avgs
the rosy retrospection of the Jordan and 1990s era will eventually fade away, that is the only thing propping it up at this point. that and fake documentaries
lebron has access to the latest sports science and technology, might be the most cerebral player of all time, and is 50 lbs heavier, and 5 inches taller than MJ - but i am supposed to believe he is not as good?
there is not even an argument at this point beyond the 6-0 vs 3-5 argument and that is just faulty math
This post was edited on 5/20/20 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 5/20/20 at 11:59 am to rocket31
All advanced Stats suggest Jordan was better at his peak than lebron. And lebron is playing in an era that stresses efficiency which improves the advanced stats. Ie Prevalence of the 3 pointer.
This post was edited on 5/20/20 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 5/20/20 at 12:04 pm to Boomshockalocka
that is not true
mj beats lebron in WS/48 and PER (just barely) and ORB%, STL%, TOV%
lebron beats mj in VORP, peak BPM, TS%, AST% and TRB%, making lebron a more complete and efficient player with a lower usage rate
the advance numbers also suggest lebron is getting better with age, whereas Jordan got seemingly worse.
mj beats lebron in WS/48 and PER (just barely) and ORB%, STL%, TOV%
lebron beats mj in VORP, peak BPM, TS%, AST% and TRB%, making lebron a more complete and efficient player with a lower usage rate
the advance numbers also suggest lebron is getting better with age, whereas Jordan got seemingly worse.
This post was edited on 5/20/20 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 5/20/20 at 12:10 pm to rocket31
Assist % and rebound % and all are a component of your PER, WA/48, etc etc. stats that Jordan is ahead in. so it don’t really make much sense to use them. Bc the catch all stats show that whatever advantage lebron has at those is overcome by Jordan in other ways.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 12:15 pm to rocket31
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mj beats lebron in WS/48 and PER (just barely) and ORB%, STL%, TOV%
lebron beats mj in VORP, peak BPM, TS%, AST% and TRB%, making lebron a more complete and efficient player with a lower usage rate
See you're correct in this, which is why LeBron hasn't clearly passed MJ by any measure.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 12:16 pm to Boomshockalocka
meh, my favorite stat is the VORP/82 and that heavily favors bron over MJ #2 and Larry #3
LeBron has been a slightly more efficient shooter, better rebounder and a significantly more prolific passer than MJ.
you are too points centric, which explains your love affair with James.
with that said. Jordan is the best scorer of all time, no question, but lebron is the best and most efficient player
LeBron has been a slightly more efficient shooter, better rebounder and a significantly more prolific passer than MJ.
you are too points centric, which explains your love affair with James.
with that said. Jordan is the best scorer of all time, no question, but lebron is the best and most efficient player
This post was edited on 5/20/20 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 5/20/20 at 12:17 pm to Rep520
VORP is influenced by minutes played. So it doesn’t rate a player at his peak. It rates over a whole career. At bpm, which is a per minute VORP, Jordan is better.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 12:22 pm to Boomshockalocka
there is the VORP/82 and VORP/2500 minutes which gets rid of the bias against players who played more games
1. bron
2. mj
3. bird
1. bron
2. mj
3. chuck
1. bron
2. mj
3. bird
1. bron
2. mj
3. chuck
Posted on 5/20/20 at 12:25 pm to Boomshockalocka
Lebron lead the league in win share for 5 straight years. Compare those to the first 5 years mike lead the league in win share
PER - mike
Ws - mike
Ws/48 - Mike
Bpm - Mike
VORP - mike
PER - mike
Ws - mike
Ws/48 - Mike
Bpm - Mike
VORP - mike
Posted on 5/20/20 at 12:29 pm to Boomshockalocka
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VORP is influenced by minutes played.
Playing more minutes is a good thing. You're more valuable to your team the more you're out there.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 12:33 pm to Rep520
if we are talking about a player at his peak career VORP is useless. You would have to look at the VORP for years during the peak.
see my last post.
Mike > lebron VORP during peak.
see my last post.
Mike > lebron VORP during peak.
This post was edited on 5/20/20 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 5/20/20 at 12:47 pm to Boomshockalocka
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if we are talking about a player at his peak
You're talking about that. Other people might refer to other stats. Some people might factor in the playoffs or playoff peak. Some people might reward longevity.
You can almost always create a stat to support your argument is you modify the parameters right.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 12:52 pm to Rep520
This specific argument was about peak performance.
And I am by far the most consistent person here. I use the same criteria/parameters to judge all players. don’t change them based on who we are talking about.
And I am by far the most consistent person here. I use the same criteria/parameters to judge all players. don’t change them based on who we are talking about.
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