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Horace Grant says Michael Jordan lied constantly in 'Last Dance', calls him a 'snitch'

Posted on 5/19/20 at 3:54 pm
Posted by Bench McElroy
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 3:54 pm
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In a radio interview with Kap and Co. on ESPN 1000 in Chicago on Tuesday, Grant said it "is a downright, outright, completely lie" that he leaked much of the information in Sam Smith's famous "The Jordan Rules" book, as Jordan alleged during the documentary.

"Lie, lie, lie. ... If MJ had a grudge with me, let's settle this like men," Grant said during the interview. "Let's talk about it. Or we can settle it another way. But yet and still, he goes out and puts this lie out that I was the source behind [the book]. Sam and I have always been great friends. We're still great friends. But the sanctity of that locker room, I would never put anything personal out there. The mere fact that Sam Smith was an investigative reporter. That he had to have two sources, two, to write a book, I guess. Why would MJ just point me out?

"It's only a grudge, man. I'm telling you, it was only a grudge. And I think he proved that during this so-called documentary. When if you say something about him, he's going to cut you off, he's going to try to destroy your character."

Grant, who helped Jordan and the Bulls win three NBA championships from 1991 to '93, noted that some of Jordan's closest relationships have deteriorated over the years because of critical comments made about him.

"Charles Barkley, they've been friends for over 20, 30 years," Grant said. "And he said something about Michael's management with the Charlotte Bobcats or the Charlotte Hornets, and then they haven't spoken since then. And my point is, he said that I was the snitch, but yet and still after 35 years he brings up his rookie year going into one of his teammate's rooms and seeing coke, and weed and women. My point is: Why the hell did he want to bring that up? What's that got to do with anything? I mean, if you want to call somebody a snitch, that's a damn snitch right there."

"I would say [it was] entertaining, but we know, who was there as teammates, that about 90 percent of it -- I don't know if I can say it on air, but B.S. in terms of the realness of it," Grant said. "It wasn't real -- because a lot of things [Jordan] said to some of his teammates, that his teammates went back at him. But all of that was kind of edited out of the documentary, if you want to call it a documentary."

Grant also defended former teammate Scottie Pippen, who has not spoken publicly since the documentary began to air last month. As ESPN's Jackie MacMullan wrote earlier this month, Pippen has been stung by his portrayal in the documentary.

"I have never seen a quote unquote number two guy, as decorated as Scottie Pippen, portrayed so badly," Grant said when asked whether he thought Pippen was portrayed fairly in the documentary. "In terms of the migraine, in terms of the 1.[8] seconds, [Jordan calling him] selfish. I have never seen this in all of my life. And the respect of, Pip was out there in Game 6 [of the '98 Finals], could barely walk, getting knocked down on his back. Tried to do whatever he could to help that team. My point is, why was that 1.[8] seconds in the documentary, so-called documentary, about Pip?

"MJ wasn't even on the team. Why was that in there? We handled that, that year really well as a team. Pip knows that he was wrong for doing it, but yet and still we went after the game. Bill Cartwright stood up and said what he had to say, and then we handled it, it was over. It was over. We go on to take the Knicks to seven games. It was over. Why bring that up? That's my question to everybody out there who's listening."


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Posted by Rep520
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:01 pm to
It's hard to say Grant's wrong about any of this.
Posted by southdowns84
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:07 pm to
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It's hard to say Grant's wrong about any of this.


He's probably right about much of it, but it's even harder to say that any of that would be surprising. Nearly every public figure is an entirely fabricated entity these days.
Posted by AwesomeSauce
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:11 pm to
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It's hard to say Grant's wrong about any of this.


If we're honest with ourselves this wasn't a docu-series, but a Jordan retort to all his naysayers over the years. Pippen not good enough to win without him and weak. Rodman was a headcase he had to control. The teams they went up against were great and despite all the obstacles Jordan did it all with a bunch of guys that without him would be doing coke and walking out of practices. It was entertaining, but this wasn't a docu-series, but just Jordan saying to the Lebron who just went hero down 3-1 to an all-time great team that "I'm the GOAT b$%#h."
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:14 pm to
There has to be more to the Barkley thing, right?
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:20 pm to
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There has to be more to the Barkley thing, right?


I'm not sure there is. Like MJ said, he never spoke to Sports Illustrated again after they did a negative cover about his baseball.

I don't think MJ has much tolerance for criticism.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:21 pm to
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Let's talk about it. Or we can settle it another way.


So he did do if hes looking to throw fists
Posted by Ron Cheramie
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Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:22 pm to
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I don't think MJ has much tolerance for criticism.


Would like to see how MJ would have acted in this era with social media
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:23 pm to
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I'm not sure there is. Like MJ said, he never spoke to Sports Illustrated again after they did a negative cover about his baseball.

I don't think MJ has much tolerance for criticism.



All SI did was say he wasn't very good at baseball, and that's enough for him to say frick them?

His response was "well they didn't know why I was doing it." SI isn't your friend MJ, and they don't need to know internal motivations or get your permission to write something about you.

Their job is just to provide commentary, and the comment was that you weren't very good at baseball. This is the same publication that made valid comments about you being really amazing at basketball, but because they told another truth that wasn'f flattering you're going to take your ball and go home?
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 4:25 pm
Posted by saintsfan22
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:27 pm to
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There has to be more to the Barkley thing, right?


No, gotta kiss his arse like Ahmad and Oakley. He probably took some level of criticism from those old security guard dudes cause he sees them as father figures. Barkley he sees as a peer and probably lesser when it comes to basketball because he's got 6 rings and Barkley got none.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:27 pm to
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All SI did was say he wasn't very good at baseball, and that's enough for him to say frick them?


Seems like it was
Hes not friends with SI and they dont need to know his internal motivation to tell them to frick off
Posted by MF Doom
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:28 pm to
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It's hard to say Grant's wrong about any of this.



Really? Sounds like an angry dude rambling because he got called out for snitching
Posted by Goldrush25
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:33 pm to
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Seems like it was
Hes not friends with SI and they dont need to know his internal motivation to tell them to frick off




Well we know his motivation. He's fricking sensitive as hell. No one can criticize the guy or he gets butthurt.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:33 pm to
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Would like to see how MJ would have acted in this era with social media


Not well and I feel his reverence from the masses would be a lot different. He'd still be viewed just as favorably as the player he was but as the overall icon he became, I'm not so sure. Just think about the things Lebron, Kobe, and other greats have had to endure in the media, and Jordan wanted to retire with a fraction of that going on with him in the 90s.
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 4:34 pm
Posted by Ron Cheramie
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Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:35 pm to
Jordan would have been roasted on social media about not getting past the Pistons. Not sure how that would have worked out
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:35 pm to
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Really? Sounds like an angry dude rambling because he got called out for snitching


Having read the Jordan Rules, there's no way Smith only one source. Plus, MJ's coke story...it's pretty clearly snitching.

The doc was not flattering to Pippen and he's clearly hurt by it. The Barkley thing is well known. The doc didn't include much criticism of Jordan from teammates, and any criticism was followed by people saying his attitude got results.

Nothing Grant said is wrong. Yeah, he's probably saying it because he's pissed about how he was portrayed, but it's hard to argue the facts of it.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:36 pm to
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All SI did was say he wasn't very good at baseball, and that's enough for him to say frick them?

I mean it was a little worse than that. The headline on the cover read "Bag It Michael: The White Sox and Jordan are embarrassing baseball."

But it is still pretty petty to get that upset about an article, and honestly, the article wasn't without merit. Jordan just didn't want to hear/read it. The funny part of it was Jordan saying something along the lines of they didn't consult with him about the article before publishing it. Why should they MJ? They don't need your input to write an opinion piece in a magazine.
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 4:39 pm
Posted by AlbertMeansWell
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:36 pm to
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There has to be more to the Barkley thing, right?


MJ and Tiger have both completely cut Barkley out of their lives. I love Charles but it says more about him than anything. We all love that he speaks his mind but when you do that it’s eventually going to cost you friends. I love Charles though and we need more people like him.
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 4:38 pm
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10476 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:37 pm to
quote:

Would like to see how MJ would have acted in this era with social media


I think he might be fairly close to Durant.

MJ seems like the kind of guy who would 100% create a burner account to settle beef with some nobody who criticized him on Twitter. He took everything personally.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:39 pm to
Jordan was a bitch but he is still better than LeBron
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