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re: For those who watched the BCS era…and argued for a playoff system and players getting NIL
Posted on 4/16/25 at 1:26 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Posted on 4/16/25 at 1:26 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Who gives a shite that it’s pay for play versus “True NIL”? If they did away with NIL and allowed schools to write pay for play contracts, you would have buyouts nearly identical to coaching contracts, effectively ending unlimited transfers.
Players ABSOLUTELY deserve a piece of the revenue pie. Anyone arguing different is a moron. The schools and the NCAA wanted to have their cake and eat it too, and got their asses absolutely handed to them. It’s been bad for the game, but they also deserved it for how pompous and untouchable they acted
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 1:57 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Transfer rules should have reverted back to how they were in the bcs era, once NIL became a thing.
i said this on the Baylor Larry Leo post, but I like both of them, just not full spigot as they are now at the same time.
Cap how much money can be offered per team, and you get one free transfer with no sit out year (if your coach leaves or you don't reach a minium playing time,) but after that BCS era rules apply.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 2:34 pm to OweO
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I like the playoffs.
The playoffs suck. Nothing but a money grab.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 2:55 pm to SuckerPunch
It felt like 4 teams was perfect. They got carried away.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 3:08 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Transfer rules should have reverted back to how they were in the bcs era, once NIL became a thing.
And NIL should be name, image, & likeness instead of pay to play or pay to sign.
These players (from Duke and another school) who are challenging the 4 seasons in 5 years rule are mostly basing it off lost potential NIL revenue. If their name, image, and likeness were worth it they would still be earning close to amounts they listed as potential revenue they are losing out on due to “arbitrary” rules.
The rule was set up to match school classifications for full-time student requirements to play on sports teams.
I think they should do away with redshirt years. Require players to have to pass full time hours each year (c average or better) and move up each year in matching classifications in the university and in athletics, and then only allow graduates who enroll in graduate school or to earn a 2nd degree to get a 5th year if they didn’t play in a set number of games one season. It has to be based on being a student first not hired professionals who just happen to enroll in classes as that’s what the NFL, NBA, MLB, and so on are for. It’s either tied to being a college student first or just drop the charade and form another professional league that the university sponsors and offers free classes to the players as an extra benefit.
If they don’t have the balls to fight for more common sense transfer rules then at least some stringent education requirements to be allowed to transfer should be required. None of these kids are transferring to another school for education benefits or concerns and few are transferring to be closer to home, so bringing up these athletes are just doing what other students can do is a weak comparison.
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 4/16/25 at 3:38 pm to grizzlylongcut
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The playoffs suck. Nothing but a money grab.
Unlike bowl games right?
Posted on 4/16/25 at 3:43 pm to SuckerPunch
I'd rather go back to the BCS if they keep trying to expand the playoff field. 8 was the perfect number to guarantee conference champs got a shot and 2-3 deserving at-large teams. Arguing for the 4th and 5th place teams within a conference to get into a playoff field is lame.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 3:47 pm to SuckerPunch
The seeding and the long break for top 4 seeds really messed up this year. It gave the rested home teams in the first round a game against a traveling opponent, who also hadn’t played in same time frame, to knock off any cob webs, regain their intensity, and also have an extra few days of recovery over the norm afterwards before playing the top 4 seeded teams on neutral fields that hadn’t played a real game in 3 and a half weeks and had to travel for their first playoff game unlike those with byes in the NFL (which the top seed can still come out and look more rusty than rested at times).
Posted on 4/16/25 at 3:53 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
So we went from everyone being mad at the NCAA for "wanting their cake and ice cream too" to shifting it over to the players "wanting their cake and ice cream too".
Makes sense.
Makes sense.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 4:49 pm to OweO
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Unlike bowl games right?
At least bowl games didn’t pretend they were nothing more than a money grab.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:22 am to grizzlylongcut
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At least bowl games didn’t pretend they were nothing more than a money grab.
That's exactly what bowls games are. Pick a bowl game.. The New Orleans bowl.. You think it was established to put a meaningful game together? No. Its a billboard for the sponsor to have its name on TV and to be on the bowl schedules, etc.
If you are only talking about the BCS bowl games. It was the same thing. Home Depot, Cheez It, State Farm, etc, etc, etc. You don't have these games without these sponsors.
But I guess perception is reality?
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:28 am to OweO
Are you fricking dense? Can you read what I said?
You don’t have to answer that, we already know.
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OweO
You don’t have to answer that, we already know.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 7:46 am
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:00 am to SuckerPunch
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Do u wish u can go back to the BCS era?
Most of the time in its original format, the bcs was very good at picking the two best teams.
Once we started fricking with polls to make it the two “most deserving teams” is when it started having issues.
NIL is not the problem. Kids ought to have the ability to make as much money as possible. The transfer rule is the issue. You essentially have unrestricted free agency in college sports and kids have no accountability.
You get one free transfer. After that, you sit a year. Problem solved.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:25 am to SuckerPunch
No, no, and more NO.
It is GREAT that players are finally getting paid some semblance of what the market says they are worth.
It is also GREAT that the ridiculous sums paid for coaches are a thing of the past (who here thinks now that J8mbo Fisher was worth 40 plus million dollars?) This placing the higher value on the wrong person (that coach who could supposedly “recruit”) has been exposed as a sham.
The whole system is a wreck right now; the Nico situation is an example of that. However, just give it time (and NO government regulation) and things will sort themselves out.
It is GREAT that players are finally getting paid some semblance of what the market says they are worth.
It is also GREAT that the ridiculous sums paid for coaches are a thing of the past (who here thinks now that J8mbo Fisher was worth 40 plus million dollars?) This placing the higher value on the wrong person (that coach who could supposedly “recruit”) has been exposed as a sham.
The whole system is a wreck right now; the Nico situation is an example of that. However, just give it time (and NO government regulation) and things will sort themselves out.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 10:14 am to FlyDownTheField83
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It is GREAT that players are finally getting paid some semblance of what the market says they are worth.
It is also GREAT that the ridiculous sums paid for coaches are a thing of the past
How can you say both of these things back to back? If an employer (school) decides to pay its employee (coach) a certain amount, why in the world do you care what that number is? Especially since you also mention worth. I can assure you that whatever laabama paid nick saban it stil wasn't enough compared to the worth and value he brought to tuscaloosa.
What a school pays its coach couldn't or shouldn't be relevant at all to a fan. What this NIL bullshite pays its players absolutley should matter since fans are the ones footing the bill for that.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 3:06 pm to WG_Dawg
I will happily take on your argument.
Nick Saban was also overpaid, not as egregiously as Jimbo Fisher, but still much overpaid. What Nick Saban brought to Tuscaloosa was a system that attracted the best players, and by his own admission he used the lure of getting to the NFL as the main attraction for getting those players. Those players wanted to get to the NFL for the MONEY because the colleges cpuld not overtly pay them due to the NCAA system that was subsequently found to be illegal. Do not get me wrong, Saban was a great coach and the best at managing within the corrupt system enforced by the NCAA, but that system is disintegrating now.
It is beyond ridiculous for you to say the pay/cost for a college football coach should be of no interest to fans, but the money a college player receives should be closely scrutinized. The money ultimately all comes from the fans, whether it is TV contracts, tickets, NIL funds,….all of those things exist and ultimately come from the millions and millions of people that like to watch college football.
Nick Saban was also overpaid, not as egregiously as Jimbo Fisher, but still much overpaid. What Nick Saban brought to Tuscaloosa was a system that attracted the best players, and by his own admission he used the lure of getting to the NFL as the main attraction for getting those players. Those players wanted to get to the NFL for the MONEY because the colleges cpuld not overtly pay them due to the NCAA system that was subsequently found to be illegal. Do not get me wrong, Saban was a great coach and the best at managing within the corrupt system enforced by the NCAA, but that system is disintegrating now.
It is beyond ridiculous for you to say the pay/cost for a college football coach should be of no interest to fans, but the money a college player receives should be closely scrutinized. The money ultimately all comes from the fans, whether it is TV contracts, tickets, NIL funds,….all of those things exist and ultimately come from the millions and millions of people that like to watch college football.
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