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re: Even after the Tennessee beating, Kirk is still saying Indiana was the problem

Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:24 am to
Posted by Crimsonians
Member since Nov 2019
2011 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:24 am to
Oh I forgot. Records only matter for certain teams.
Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:30 am to
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Even the NCAA basketball tournament doesn’t operate this way. We don’t spend 4 days discussing whether a Cinderella deserves to be in the elite 8 because they played in the American conference


Don't seem to see people bitching about HS playoff brackets either. Occasionally we'll see some smoke towards towards the NFL when a team with a losing record gets a home playoff game but two of the three times it happened (in non-strike shortened seasons) that team won the game.

The better teams won their games and advanced. That's how playoffs work most of the time especially in early rounds. People comparing the 4 team playoff to the opening round, how about we wait until the semis to do an actual apples to apples comparison. If the semis (4 teams) turn out to be more competitive than the opening round of the 4 team playoff was on average, would that not be a success?
Posted by BatonRougeBuckeye
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Aug 2013
1893 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:36 am to
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Conferences can’t be this big. Or we need to go to like 10-11 conference games and 1 major out of conference game required.


Agreed. These huge conferences are why Texas missed so many top SEC teams and Indiana missed so many top Big 10 teams.
Posted by Great Plains Drifter
Flyover, U.S.A.
Member since Jul 2019
9918 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:53 am to
There’s not much an SMU or a Boise State can do regarding the schedules they play. It’s not like SMU has the choice to try and fill their schedule with Ole Miss, LSU, Michigan and USC every year.

I just don’t think it’s good for the future of college football across the nation if schools who otherwise try and field good programs are pretty much told “frick you, you don’t belong to the SEC or B1G so whatever you do doesn’t really matter because it’s not as tough”.

Re-seed before the playoffs begin, add a couple of additional teams, do whatever but I’d like to see efforts to keep the interest in college football as high as it can be across the country and not end up being a thing where you’re only really interested someday if your school is fortunate enough to be an SEC or Big Ten member.
Posted by Crimsonians
Member since Nov 2019
2011 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 11:01 am to
And you can't go to 10 or 11 conference games.

Imagine the difference you would see with a B12 schedule and SEC? Huge difference and they would take a 10-2 B12 over a 9-3 or 8-4 SEC, which would be bullshite.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79430 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 11:05 am to
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Do you let an 8-4 team with 3 top 10 wins over a 10-2 team with one top 25 win in a weaker conference?


then you have 11-1 teams with 0 top 25 wins and 0 wins against the stop 6 teams in their own conference.


I dont think the issue was that Tennessee shouldn’t have been in, Ohio State shouldn’t have been an 8 seed.

and they only were because we gave 2 top 4 seeds to teams who play in weak conferences.

The Big 12 is closer to the American Conferende than they are the the Big 10 or SEC.
Posted by MetArl15
Washington, DC
Member since Apr 2007
13556 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 11:10 am to
Use the original BCS rankings formula (computer heavy, not voter heavy) and seed it accordingly. That can exist why it keeping the rule that the 5 highest ranked conference champions get auto bids. They deserve to be in, but they don’t necessarily deserve byes.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
13500 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 11:25 am to
So teams that have one hiccup against a good team (SMU) should be punished for their schedules, and all non-SEC teams that aren't conference champs should just shut it and accept it.

Top 12 teams don't lose twice to 6-6 teams including a 21 point loss. Why is he suggesting Bama for example deserves in because they beat UGA? That was their only good win. Don't give me USCe where they deserved to lose and got bailed out.

Should a win early in the season count as much as late in the season?

This is why the "best" moniker is stupid. You aren't choosing the best based on anything other than the eye test (and by that I meant who gives ESPN the most money).

Just stop this charade and go back to either a 4-team playoff or at most an 8 team playoff.

Outside of winning your conference, no team going under 0.800 should go to the playoffs. End of story.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 11:27 am
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 11:26 am to
Kirk is a moron. The playoffs have too many teams to have competitive games every game.

A team that beat Alabama got boat raced. No rational individual can say Alabama, or anyone else, deserves to be there over the teams that made it.

The problem isn’t the teams selected. The problem is the number of teams selected.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
13500 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 11:31 am to
In the craziest year (2007), the BCS rankings only had 1 teams with 3 losses in the top 12 and that was #12 UF. They didn't deserve to be in that year either.

If you are going to have conference championship games, you cannot have 3-loss teams not playing in their conference championships in those in the championship. If the team loses the Conference Championship game, maybe, because they are 10-3, but no 9-3 team should be in the playoffs.

You can go to 8 teams, have 5 conference champs and 3 At Large. No byes for anyone.

Conference champs only guaranteed a playoff spot, not home field. First round is awt home stadium of 1-4. Then regular playoff schedule like before.

You stop the stupidity of the Championship game going into Spring semester for most schools and keep some integrity,

ESPN is killing CFB in so many ways, and people are just accepting it.
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
7921 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 11:33 am to
This!
Posted by NEOJoe
Member since Dec 2021
822 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 12:49 pm to
Herbie is such a douche. Still shitting on Indiana after the other three teams all lost big too. He’s the quintessential company man. Can’t blame the playoff, has to be the selection.

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You can go to 8 teams, have 5 conference champs and 3 At Large. No byes for anyone.


Totally agree, this is the answer if you want more than 4 teams.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
42374 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 1:00 pm to
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Do you let an 8-4 team with 3 top 10 wins over a 10-2 team with one top 25 win in a weaker conference? It goes against reason that you would pick a team who lost 1/3 of their games but also you know that team has a high ceiling


This is why the playoffs should be 6 teams at a max. Who the hell cares for the 12th team in, they are almost always going to get stomped anyway and have no shot at winning a title. Sure, Bama, Ole Miss, and USCe would have made for better TV than Indiana and SMU, but none of them deserved to be in the playoffs. Yuor product is watered down when you're debating "which team is less shiity" as opposed to who deserves to be in/who could win it.

You went from the sport where wins mattered more than any other sport to people crying over wins not mattering in the span of a year.
Posted by Ghost of Colby
Alberta, overlooking B.C.
Member since Jan 2009
15658 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 1:09 pm to
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easy, the Conference he's backing has a massive TV deal with the network that employs him.

His network also has a massive TV deal with the CFB playoffs.

Indiana football doesn’t attract viewers to ESPN, but the network would have promoted Alabama @ Notre Dame as the game of the year.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 1:12 pm to
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Use the original BCS rankings formula (computer heavy, not voter heavy) and seed it accordingly.


The original BCS formula was a cluster frick they caused all the controversy

Also the computer rankings are formulas created by people good at math that may or may know know jack about FB, it’s not some algebraic truth it has zero transparency or accountability
Posted by SelaTiger
Member since Aug 2016
21833 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 1:20 pm to
I see nothing wrong. People trying to vouch for Bama or anyone else, can GTFO. Bama lost to Oklahoma and Vandy. Put up a measly 3 points against Oklahoma. The same thing could have happened to them that happened to any of the teams who lost in the first round.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8365 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 1:53 pm to
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How can he freaking ignore the game result he just called and simp for more sec teams?


The fact is that Tennessee didn't really beat anyone that should have made any of our fans think we would go in there and win on Saturday.

For one, we looked atrocious on the road against anyone with a pulse.

Our one good win, Bama, was wildly inconsistent and lost to bad 2 mediocre teams.

It feels like the play should have been to put Ole Miss in over us I guess. Then you could argue us or Bama next... we beat them head to head but they had more good wins than we did.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111460 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:14 pm to
Trying to make the argument 9-3 bama should have been put over 10-2 Tennessee who actually also beat Bama is just wild

But there are actually humans making that argument
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Member since Apr 2024
10668 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:51 pm to
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Do you let an 8-4 team with 3 top 10 wins


Name all those.

If there are any name all those not in an intraconference circle jerk with each other.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216467 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:53 pm to
Linda Cohn…., IWHI multiple times.
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