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re: DAT: 2017 World Champions Houston Astros offseason discussion: ASTROS ACQUIRE GERRIT COLE

Posted on 1/13/18 at 7:12 pm to
Posted by msutiger
Houston
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Posted on 1/13/18 at 7:12 pm to
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Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
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Posted on 1/13/18 at 7:13 pm to
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Luhnow is a wizard


I'm impressed for sure.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
28022 posts
Posted on 1/13/18 at 7:15 pm to
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Feliz has all the potential but just don’t see him putting it together.
I seem to remember Feliz was great the first half of last season.

He sputtered after the all-star break and never regained his form.

His next step is putting it together for a whole season. I still think he'll be good.
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
24963 posts
Posted on 1/13/18 at 7:37 pm to
There's the pre-Verlander, 3 outcome, anti-old school Luhnow who rubbed people the wrong way and was met w cold shoulders, and now you're looking at the post-Verlander, WS winning, trend setting genius who is the toast of the town.

I was old school as they come, but was willing to accept the paradigm shift in the game. I couldn't however understand how our teams through '16 just didn't seem to value the QAB.

Knowing secondhand some of the backlash Luhnow was encountering from the Cardinals deal, I was frustrated. But, since he and Crane got the Verlander deal done, I have been Team Luhnow.

This Cole deal has to have every GM in the game lowering their head.
Posted by lsusportsman2
Member since Oct 2007
27232 posts
Posted on 1/13/18 at 7:40 pm to
I wanna give you fellow DATers a big hug right now after hearing about the Gerrit Cole trade. We repeating boys!!!
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 1/13/18 at 7:40 pm to
Oh man. I fell asleep because I woke up for 4am to go to work.

Wake up from a nap from this. Luhnow the Magician. Love what Musgrove did but the team not the Farm took legit hits.

Posted by Prominentwon
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Posted on 1/13/18 at 7:42 pm to
Oh and btw.....

Luhnow and Crane is only in it for the money and no interest in winning.
Posted by Prominentwon
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Member since Jan 2005
95027 posts
Posted on 1/13/18 at 7:44 pm to
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Not the time to worry about it but interested to see the outlook of our staff after the 2019 season with JV DK and Cole all gone


The only one they’ll lose will be DK, correct? Cole and Verlander will be FA in 2020.

I think this Cole acquisition speaks volumes when it comes to their future plans with Kuechel. Meaning, there are none.
Posted by lsusportsman2
Member since Oct 2007
27232 posts
Posted on 1/13/18 at 7:52 pm to
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The only one they’ll lose will be DK, correct? Cole and Verlander will be FA in 2020.


Keuchel is a FA after 2018 season, Verlander and Cole are FAs after 2019.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
37807 posts
Posted on 1/13/18 at 8:21 pm to
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Hopefully he's covering up the horse pills




FIFY
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64368 posts
Posted on 1/13/18 at 8:24 pm to
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I think this Cole acquisition speaks volumes when it comes to their future plans with Kuechel. Meaning, there are none.



Not worried about losing Keuchel. He's been hurt for the better part of the last 2 years. He pitched pretty well in the playoffs but it was tough to count on him for most of the season. I really wouldn't give him big money considering his injury history.


Hopefully he stays healthy and plays well to earn a big contract for the upcoming season. Whether that contract comes from the Astros or not.
This post was edited on 1/13/18 at 8:25 pm
Posted by ehidal1
Chief Boot Knocka
Member since Dec 2007
37335 posts
Posted on 1/13/18 at 8:30 pm to
It would suck to lose Dallas but it would be tough to pay him $25+ mil a year with the injuries the last 2 years. Love the Cole signing.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63413 posts
Posted on 1/13/18 at 8:30 pm to
I think everyone who follows the team closely understands this is likely DK's last year in Houston. I want no part of a long term deal with him honestly
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
28022 posts
Posted on 1/13/18 at 9:05 pm to
NEIFI Analytics? @NEIFIco

With Cole, Astros now project at 103.5 2018 wins. Easily the highest pre-season W projection NEIFI has ever forecast.
Posted by msutiger
Houston
Member since Jul 2008
71995 posts
Posted on 1/13/18 at 9:10 pm to
It'll be 110 when we sign Yu Darvish
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
61022 posts
Posted on 1/13/18 at 9:14 pm to
Hate losing Joe Camel, but this is a trade win for us.
Posted by texastiger38
Member since Sep 2007
28787 posts
Posted on 1/13/18 at 9:35 pm to
What a fricking trade by that jackass Ludlow



ETA:

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The #Astros declared Forrest Whitley, Kyle Tucker, Derek Fisher and Yordan Alvarez off limits in a Cole deal, sources said. #Pirates thought the Musgrove-Moran tandem was strongest of any they were offered for Cole. They also get 15 years of control with Musgrove, Moran, Feliz.
This post was edited on 1/13/18 at 9:48 pm
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
108348 posts
Posted on 1/13/18 at 9:48 pm to
Pump the brakes guys. On paper this trade looks outstanding AF. But Cole has trended down the past 2 seasons and Joe is going to be a fine pitcher.
Posted by 225rumpshaker
Texas
Member since Sep 2006
12880 posts
Posted on 1/13/18 at 9:57 pm to
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But Cole has trended down the past 2 seasons
Brent Strom FTMFW

Cole about to rebound like a mofo..... also last year Cole was still better than our third guy fwiw
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150150 posts
Posted on 1/13/18 at 9:57 pm to
Wrong thread
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