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re: Can someone explain the Kobe helicopter crash to me like I'm 5?

Posted on 1/30/20 at 5:19 pm to
Posted by tatervol
Lexington, TN
Member since Nov 2008
2211 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 5:19 pm to
Primetime to be fair you asked one of the more moronic questions I’ve seen in my internet history.
Posted by chew4219
Member since Sep 2009
3204 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 5:25 pm to
Go outside, put your forehead on a bat and spin around in circles as fast as you can for 20 full turns. That will get you spatially disoriented. Then hop on a bicycle and try to ride it in a straight line. Hell just ride it without falling.

If Spatial D was the cause, highly likely, then you will understand what the pilot was dealing with. Just not 1500’ above the ground, flying at 150 KIAS.
Posted by Mr Personality
Bangkok
Member since Mar 2014
27364 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 5:25 pm to
That is one of the worst posts I’ve ever seen
Posted by Athos
Member since Sep 2016
11878 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 5:27 pm to
Heli flew in fog with terrain on all sides.

The end.
This post was edited on 1/30/20 at 5:28 pm
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44925 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 5:29 pm to
quote:

Look how low down the hill it hit.

That is absurdly low.



Did it slide down the hill? The news said they missed clearing it by less than 30 feet,
Posted by chew4219
Member since Sep 2009
3204 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 5:29 pm to
Pretty much.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
77205 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 5:29 pm to
I guess my biggest question is why he didn’t just set the chopper down. Just land the thing. If there were mechanical issues then I can understand.
Posted by chew4219
Member since Sep 2009
3204 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 5:33 pm to
quote:

For those in the know...is an S-76 single pilot rated? I always thought that it was a 2 pilot operation.


Yes it can be flown single pilot. It depends on the Part 135 carriers Ops Specs as to what specific single pilot operations it can perform, ferry flights, VFR only, or IFR. Without knowing if they had any restrictions associated with being single pilot it’s hard to know.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80526 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 5:39 pm to
quote:

I guess my biggest question is why he didn’t just set the chopper down. Just land the thing. If there were mechanical issues then I can understand.


They may have lost aerodynamic control (vortex ring) and lost control. Most likely caused by loss of pilot spatial orientation due to flying VFR into IMC (flying by sight then going into clouds.)
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
139447 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 5:45 pm to
quote:

Can someone explain the Kobe helicopter crash to me like I'm 5?


Pilot went into the fog, couldn't tell where he was, didn't look at his gauges and flew into a at 160mph.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80526 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 5:47 pm to
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Pilot went into the fog, couldn't tell where he was, didn't look at his gauges and flew into a at 160mph.


They most likely didn't fly straight into the hill/mountain.

Probably went into an unrecoverable dive first.
Posted by MikeD
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
8445 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 5:51 pm to
quote:

Crash appears to be just lower than the trail, path, dirt road or whatever it is.

Pretty much directly on the trail. There are pictures from the trail while the helicopter was still really burning and it's directly on the path.
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 5:55 pm to
Guy is familiar with the area and has flown the path hundreds of times. He KNOWS FOR FACT how high the highest hill/mountain is in that flight path.
Why not be higher than the highest peak? Especially in bad conditions. Makes no sense.
Why go 200 fricking mph?
I saw the Ring videos. He had just flown over a neighborhood so he had a solid altitude reading.

There is simply ZERO reason for him not to be at 400 ft, minimum.

Damn right it was avoidable...fricking google maps would have told him exactly where he was....seriously
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80526 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 5:59 pm to
quote:

Guy is familiar with the area and has flown the path hundreds of times. He KNOWS FOR FACT how high the highest hill/mountain is in that flight path.
Why not be higher than the highest peak? Especially in bad conditions. Makes no sense.
Why go 200 fricking mph?
I saw the Ring videos. He had just flown over a neighborhood so he had a solid altitude reading.

There is simply ZERO reason for him not to be at 400 ft, minimum.

Damn right it was avoidable...fricking google maps would have told him exactly where he was....seriously


Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10609 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 6:00 pm to
quote:

This is the head scratcher on a lot of aviation forums. They were traveling along Hwy 101 at around 500 ft and could see the road. The clouds were 1300ft. they ascend into the clouds, basically do a u-turn, and then crash at 1100 ft going 170mph.

It seems if they kept following Hwy 101 at 500 ft, then they could’ve made it to the academy. Possibly pilot was wanting to get higher to be tracked and let ATC direct them. Who knows. The academy was west of Thousand Oaks right off 101.


What are they saying about speed following 101 initially before left with some of the smaller curves?

Up until 101 flight mostly flying around flatter terrain. Before big turn it seem terrain on right was either little lower than on left or had some extra space before getting closer to height on left including Mureau Rd widening and added distance from 101 along with businesses in Malibu canyon (?) on right in left curve. The terrain on right of 101 in turn or in front before turn (after canyon opening) is listed on google maps getting up above 1200ft with one spot at 1400ft. From canyon incline a little more gradual incline compared to the incline closer to where Las Virgenes & 101 cross over each other.

Wondering if due to speed he had widened out to right before the big left and then speed, fog, & clouds caused him to misjudge upcoming elevation forcing an even harder left while also pulling up hard. He then would have had to try and regain control & bearings while initially in clouds.

I haven't been entirely clear on when he went up into cloud coverage and came back down, so I am just going by video now.
This post was edited on 1/30/20 at 6:10 pm
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
27191 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 6:03 pm to
quote:

, didn't look at his gauges


also read that the gauges couldve been off on elevation due to the pressure change of being in the clouds/fog
Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
19470 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 6:05 pm to
Yep, after seeing that, this one is bizarre. Was clearly following the highway, seemingly low and fine and then went silent, shot up and then bam, hit the ground.

Very strange.
Posted by dupergreenie
Member since May 2014
10065 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 6:35 pm to
quote:

like I'm 5?


kobe is with god now. it was his time to go to the kingdom the sky.


Kafka alter to you sir.
Posted by PEPE
Member since Jun 2018
8198 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 6:46 pm to
Do you know how valleys work?

Imagine you're flying inside a valley and there is very thick fog all around you.

That's essentially what happened.
This post was edited on 1/30/20 at 7:06 pm
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
139447 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 7:00 pm to
quote:

Imagine your flying inside a valley and there is very thick fog all around you.


But why the high rate of speed in a valley and fog. That's the part that makes no sense to me.
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