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re: Based on the first game, who thinks Dalvin Cook is better then L. Fournette?
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:38 am to lsupride87
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:38 am to lsupride87
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for sucks sake. This is the shite Lester loves isnt it?
Don't confuse "love" with the want to comprehend & acknowedge all information available to us in order to make more informed decisions & opinions.
Cook has odds stacked against him based on previous information like this complied over years. With that said he looked very good last night
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Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:49 am to Lester Earl
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the want
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:50 am to theunknownknight
If Fournette had played the Saints he would still be running right now.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:02 am to lsupride87
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Easy chicken little. "Expert" NFL analysts said it over and over too. They literally pulled it out of thin air to have something to talk about IMHO
It was such a BS narrative too. At worst you could suggest his receiving skills were an unknown, but to say they were bad or an area of improvement was a joke.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:26 am to slackster
I love Dalvin Cook and I didn't understand him falling in the draft. The dude can play. I think Fournette is better, but Cook will likely have better numbers because he plays on a functional offense with a multitude of weapons. Fournette is stuck in Jacksonville with Bortles, a near worthless QB. He's gonna get run into the ground there, while Cook is going to see space.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:37 am to theunknownknight
Can't compare being cook played a New Orleans saints defense. 
he also broke a 30 something yard run on the last play of the game to pad his stats.
he also broke a 30 something yard run on the last play of the game to pad his stats. 
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:43 am to theunknownknight
I'll take Cook.
The lack of a passing game will hurt Fournette this season. Granted, I think their HC wants him to have 25-8 touches a game.
The lack of a passing game will hurt Fournette this season. Granted, I think their HC wants him to have 25-8 touches a game.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:46 am to JBeam
quote:I think Cook will have better stats, but that won't necessarily mean he's the better back.
I'll take Cook.
The lack of a passing game will hurt Fournette this season.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:20 pm to theunknownknight
Fournette would lay waste to this Saints defense . Utter destruction. Houston has a solid front seven and Leonard broke their will . JJ ain't even talking shite. There is a Dalvin Cook every year. There is only one Leonard.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:26 pm to theunknownknight
As an LSU and FSU fan, I've seen both of them play a lot both on TV and in person.
They are different backs.
But LF is the better talent. Not by much, but his size and athleticism is so rare.
He can run over them, make them miss, and run away from them. Has good patience in the hole, makes defenders miss, is able to catch out of the backfield, and once he gets more practice in pass protection, he could easily develop into a HOF player.
Comparison: Bo, Herschel, AP
Cook is a already a complete player, but his time at FSU gave him the opportunity to work on more of the game than LSU gave LF.
He has great speed and lateral movement, but he is more of a slasher than LF. He's a good pass catcher and blocker. And he only really has to work on blitz recognition and understanding the blocking schemes. I'm not sure he'd be able to get the short yardage pickups that LF will... simply because he isn't as big or as strong as LF.
Comparison: young Clinton Portis, Jamaal Charles
LF would be better on a running team.
And DC would be a better fit in a west coast type of offense.
But really, either one could perform at a high level in any offensive scheme.
Overall, if you needed a RB... you could choose either and get a damn good back.
They are different backs.
But LF is the better talent. Not by much, but his size and athleticism is so rare.
He can run over them, make them miss, and run away from them. Has good patience in the hole, makes defenders miss, is able to catch out of the backfield, and once he gets more practice in pass protection, he could easily develop into a HOF player.
Comparison: Bo, Herschel, AP
Cook is a already a complete player, but his time at FSU gave him the opportunity to work on more of the game than LSU gave LF.
He has great speed and lateral movement, but he is more of a slasher than LF. He's a good pass catcher and blocker. And he only really has to work on blitz recognition and understanding the blocking schemes. I'm not sure he'd be able to get the short yardage pickups that LF will... simply because he isn't as big or as strong as LF.
Comparison: young Clinton Portis, Jamaal Charles
LF would be better on a running team.
And DC would be a better fit in a west coast type of offense.
But really, either one could perform at a high level in any offensive scheme.
Overall, if you needed a RB... you could choose either and get a damn good back.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:28 pm to theunknownknight
LF
Cooks played against our defense who made Bradford and their white WR look like All-Pros.
Cooks played against our defense who made Bradford and their white WR look like All-Pros.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:36 pm to theunknownknight
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Who's willing to be honest?
Honestly? Cook was 21-94 until one final garbage time run when the Vikings were running out the clock.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:46 pm to lsutigers1992
It should also be noted, alongside the Saints porous defense, that Minnesota was running with an OL that had five new starters whom never took a snap together, including preseason, before last night. They played well and it should only help Dalvin Cook as the season progresses.
This post was edited on 9/12/17 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:49 pm to hoopsgalore
If we're just basing this off of one game then Kareem Hunt is better than both. Not even close.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:51 pm to lsutigers1992
quote:He had 91 yards on 19 carried before that final drive (4.8 YPC). That's pretty good, but unless they weren't trying to stop him, I don't understand why the 33 yards were a garbage time run.
Honestly? Cook was 21-94 until one final garbage time run when the Vikings were running out the clock.
By that logic, Brees' 8/8 for 75 yards and a touchdown in their final drive down 3 scores with 4 minutes to go were basically garbage time statistics.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:56 pm to buckeye_vol
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By that logic, Brees' 8/8 for 75 yards and a touchdown in their final drive down 3 scores with 4 minutes to go were basically garbage time statistics.
Well yeah.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:59 pm to Lsupimp
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JJ ain't even talking shite.
Case closed.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:59 pm to buckeye_vol
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By that logic, Brees' 8/8 for 75 yards and a touchdown in their final drive down 3 scores with 4 minutes to go were basically garbage time statistics.
They are
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:13 pm to RB10
quote:Well then Fournette's last carry was garbage time too, so now he had 25 carriers on 96 yards.
They are
Either way, in 2016, Houston's rush defense gave up 4.0 YPC while New Orleans' run defense gave up 4.1 YPC.
So based on the 2016 rushing totals, Cook performed considerably better than Fournette; although obviously it's too early to judge.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:16 pm to buckeye_vol
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Well then Fournette's last carry was garbage time too, so now he had 25 carriers on 96 yards.
4 whole yards huh?
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Either way, in 2016, Houston's rush defense gave up 4.0 YPC while New Orleans' run defense gave up 4.1 YPC.
So based on the 2016 rushing totals, Cook performed considerably better than Fournette; although obviously it's too early to judge.
We've now officially had the first person try to say the Saints defense is as good as Houston's and it only took 3 pages.
This post was edited on 9/12/17 at 1:20 pm
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