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re: Based on the first game, who thinks Dalvin Cook is better then L. Fournette?
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:41 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:41 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:So the skins did have a better passing game than the falcons?
In 2016? I don't think so. You have to remember that Tom Brady missed 25% of the season.
Look, I love stats. But his seems like a time they are lying to us
For example, the saints pass defense was whhhhooorreeefic last year.
So, were teams simply choosing to throw down our throats all game, only to run the ball late in obvious situations because they had a lead? Therefore, making it easier for our piss poor defense to key in on the run?
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Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:42 pm to lsupride87
Wow, I think we have an eyeball test out of you and shel in the thread. Just need one from buckeyevol and we can shut down the MSB.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:44 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:
In 2016? I don't think so. You have to remember that Tom Brady missed 25% of the season.
I'm usually a stats guy, but I can admit when they are misleading.
You should probably just go ahead and do the same.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:45 pm to Bunk Moreland
quote:Somewhat yes. However, I would like to see the situational stats before I claim my theory is correct
Wow, I think we have an eyeball test out of you and shel in the thread.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:46 pm to RB10
quote:The Falcons averaged 9.2 YPA, the Redskins averaged 8.2 YPA, and the Patriots averaged 8.1 YPA. So the Falcons clearly had a better passing offense, and the Patriots obviously didn't have Tim Brady for the first four games, and ended up starting Brissett for two.
I'm sure you think the Redskins had a better offense than the Pats and a better passing game than the Falcons too.
Regardless, all 3 were among the best passing teams so I don't know what yourpoint is.
This post was edited on 9/12/17 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:53 pm to buckeye_vol
I'm done man. You're right the Saints defense was just as good against the run as the Texans. The stats say it and they're never wrong.
Shocker.
We can revisit this thread at the end of the year and see where each defense stands.
quote:
I don't know what yourpoint is.
Shocker.
We can revisit this thread at the end of the year and see where each defense stands.
This post was edited on 9/12/17 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:53 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:In fairness he should be ignoring those stats because they're basically irrelevant.
Is this where you laugh and ignore rushing defense stats because they don't agree with you?
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:56 pm to lsupride87
quote:Wait, so you're saying using raw stats don't always tell the whole story?
Look, I love stats. But his seems like a time they are lying to us
For example, the saints pass defense was whhhhooorreeefic last year.
So, were teams simply choosing to throw down our throats all game, only to run the ball late in obvious situations because they had a lead? Therefore, making it easier for our piss poor defense to key in on the run?
Well I'll be...
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:59 pm to lsupride87
quote:Me too.
I love stats.
I'm going to laugh the next time you rely heavily on stats.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:59 pm to shel311
quote:
Wait, so you're saying using raw stats don't always tell the whole story?
Well I'll be...
The Cowboys had a higher YPA than the Saints last year. Clearly everyone will agree the Cowboys have a better passing attack. The Browns had a higher YPC than the Cowboys. Clearly everyone will agree the Browns have a better rushing attack.
I'm not even going to bother mentioning the Packers were behind the Dolphins, Seahawks, Bengals, Bears and Titans in YPA.
This post was edited on 9/12/17 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 9/12/17 at 2:00 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Ok? I honestly said I would like to see the situational STATS to end this debate.
I'm going to laugh the next time you rely heavily on stats.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 2:02 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:
Me too.
I'm going to laugh the next time you rely heavily on stats.
He did that in the Jarvis Landry thread.
He made it very clear that he can evaluate QBs solely based on the raw data you see on Pro Football Reference and may not have flatly stated but strongly insinuated he didn't need to watch, just the stats would do.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 2:04 pm to RB10
quote:Well the stats say Houston's was a bit better, and their divisional rivals averaged 4.26 compared to New Orleans' 4.04. So based on that alone, Houston's was even better.
I'm done man. You're right the Saints defense was just as good against the run as the Texans. The stats say it and they're never wrong.
But all of those are right around the league average, so my point is that despite Houston having a much better defense, the rushing defense isn't where the major difference lies.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 2:04 pm to shel311
I could be wrong, idk. I didn't watch enough of either team to tell you whether the stats are misleading or not. Both teams sucked and weren't fun to watch.
But to be informed that stats aren't everything and could be misleading by pride (one, like myself, prone to making spreadsheets full of stats to prove a point) made me chuckle a bit.
But to be informed that stats aren't everything and could be misleading by pride (one, like myself, prone to making spreadsheets full of stats to prove a point) made me chuckle a bit.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 2:05 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Bama's D > Texans' D
Leonard Fournette faced 8+ defenders in the box on 58% of his carries today which led the NFL, per #NextGenStats
Still posted 100 yds/1 TD
Posted on 9/12/17 at 2:08 pm to lsupride87
quote:Can you give me an honest explanation why you want to dig a little deeper into these stats now but not in the other discussion where you were more than happy with just the raw data?
Ok? I honestly said I would like to see the situational STATS to end this debate.
You gotta admit it seems a bit odd when you want to see more data when something you may not quite agree with or think at first is so but don't need extra data when you seem to already have your mind made up on a specific topic.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 2:15 pm to shel311
quote:The raw data in the other thread included multiple stats, not just one.....
Can you give me an honest explanation why you want to dig a little deeper into these stats now but not in the other discussion where you were more than happy with just the raw data?
SMUG
Posted on 9/12/17 at 2:17 pm to lsupride87
quote:Nah, it wasn't
SMUG
quote:So it was just a coincidence that you rejected more data when your mind was already made up but wanted more data when the data didn't jive with your narrative? Interesting.
The raw data in the other thread included multiple stats, not just one.....
Now you can say it!!!
Posted on 9/12/17 at 2:18 pm to lsupride87
For example, last year
The saints gave us 4.3 YPC in the 1st half on 182 carries
3.9 YPC in the second half on 215 carries
The Texans were 4.3 YPC in the first half
and 3.7 YPC in the second half
When looking at this, it is hard to argue their rushing defenses were not very similar in 2016
The saints gave us 4.3 YPC in the 1st half on 182 carries
3.9 YPC in the second half on 215 carries
The Texans were 4.3 YPC in the first half
and 3.7 YPC in the second half
When looking at this, it is hard to argue their rushing defenses were not very similar in 2016
Posted on 9/12/17 at 2:18 pm to shel311
quote:You think you are so cute with gotcha moments.
So it was just a coincidence that you rejected more data when your mind was already made up but wanted more data when the data didn't jive with your narrative? Interesting.
I have no clue what you are even arguing
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