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re: Albert Pujols booed by fans
Posted on 5/5/12 at 10:37 am to Tayday
Posted on 5/5/12 at 10:37 am to Tayday
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If you're not a cardinals fan, what has Albert Pujols ever done to not have the support of baseball fans everywhere?
I think you're misinterpreting Cards' fans reactions to Pujols leaving. The vast majority were happy the Cards didn't get into a bidding war with the Angels, and most don't really have an agenda against Pujols.
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Posted on 5/5/12 at 10:44 am to Stagg8
If the Cards hadnt just won a World Series they wouldve been alot more pissed off
And i honestly don't think any player is worth a quarter of a Billion dollars
And i honestly don't think any player is worth a quarter of a Billion dollars
Posted on 5/5/12 at 10:45 am to LSUzealot
don't agree with the "he was grossly underpaid in St Louis" part
He may have outperformed the contract after the fact but when they entered the contract he was only 3 years in and they gave him $100M guaranteed or whatever it was. That was reasonable. Him outperforming it after the fact is irrelevant because he still would have gotten his money if he flopped completely. Salaries rising past him over the span of the contract was as much his fault as anybody's - he wanted the 7 years, could have taken less and been up for a new contract sooner.
He may have outperformed the contract after the fact but when they entered the contract he was only 3 years in and they gave him $100M guaranteed or whatever it was. That was reasonable. Him outperforming it after the fact is irrelevant because he still would have gotten his money if he flopped completely. Salaries rising past him over the span of the contract was as much his fault as anybody's - he wanted the 7 years, could have taken less and been up for a new contract sooner.
Posted on 5/5/12 at 10:46 am to MrPackSix
quote:On the field at his age, no.
And i honestly don't think any player is worth a quarter of a Billion dollars
But in terms of off the field and all that stuff that goes along with it, if pujols had a normal career arc, it'd be worth it financially IMO. If he had 4 more Pujols type years then tailed off, they'd be fine.
Posted on 5/5/12 at 10:56 am to shel311
If he aged normally, paying a player $250 million for 10 years starting with his age 32 season is the height of foolishness. There's only a handful of players in baseball history who could live up to the contract like that. Players decline after age 30, and they decline rapidly, usually. A player's decline curve is rarely gradual.
I kinda feel bad for the guy. He chose money over happiness. It's his bed to lie in, and yeah, he's still super rich, but I think this is one of those decisions players regret. When the choice is being super rich and happy or super super rich and miserable... take less money. You'll still be rich.
I kinda feel bad for the guy. He chose money over happiness. It's his bed to lie in, and yeah, he's still super rich, but I think this is one of those decisions players regret. When the choice is being super rich and happy or super super rich and miserable... take less money. You'll still be rich.
Posted on 5/5/12 at 11:02 am to Baloo
I'm pretty sure earlier in this thread I read "criminally underpaid" and "7 for $100 million" in the same sentence. I just...wow. Poor Albert.
And I don't know if I feel bad for the guy. He really just pulled a LeBron but is a far less polarizing figure.
And I don't know if I feel bad for the guy. He really just pulled a LeBron but is a far less polarizing figure.
This post was edited on 5/5/12 at 11:03 am
Posted on 5/5/12 at 11:02 am to Baloo
Well said
Posted on 5/5/12 at 11:03 am to TigerStripes06
quote:Well, he was for his value.
I'm pretty sure earlier in this thread I read "criminally underpaid" and "7 for $100 million" in the same sentence. I just...wow. Poor Albert.
Posted on 5/5/12 at 11:04 am to shel311
Based on what? Other teams "criminally overpaying" for players?
Posted on 5/5/12 at 11:07 am to LSUsmartass
quote:His production. They got the best player in the game over that contract for $14mil/year while other players, quite a few of them were making more and signing bigger deals.
Based on what?
How is that not value?
quote:
Other teams "criminally overpaying" for players?
Yes, exactly. That proves they got great value for that deal.
Posted on 5/5/12 at 11:09 am to LSUsmartass
exactly. how many players out there are worth more than 14 million bucks a year by today's pay scale much less the scale in 2004.
Posted on 5/5/12 at 11:11 am to shel311
Were you the one who made the criminal comments? Did Pujols sign against his will?
Posted on 5/5/12 at 11:15 am to LSUsmartass
When pujols signed his contract in 2004, it was a pretty good deal for both sides. 5 years later when players are getting more money, Pujols is getting screwed. I don't understand what is so wrong with playing out a contract for the agreed upon terms? To his credit he didn't bitch about wanting it restructured, it was just fans and media saying how underpaid he was...why did they care?
Posted on 5/5/12 at 11:16 am to LSUsmartass
quote:no
Were you the one who made the criminal comments?
Posted on 5/5/12 at 11:21 am to shel311
I don't feel bad for him at all, shouldn't have been a dipshit and gone to LA. I hope he gets booed all season
Posted on 5/5/12 at 12:02 pm to TigerStripes06
quote:
I'm pretty sure earlier in this thread I read "criminally underpaid" and "7 for $100 million" in the same sentence. I just...wow. Poor Albert.
When inferior players like Mark Teixeira are getting contracts for 8 years $180 million, yes Pujols was vastly underpaid for what he was producing.
Posted on 5/5/12 at 12:14 pm to Robot Santa
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A lot of hitters go downhill quickly once they turn 35. I doubt he is this bad all season, but I wouldn't be surprised if he never produces like he did in St. Louis again.
Probably. But remember when David Ortiz had that awful April a few years ago? Everybody thought he was done but he rebounded to hit 28 homeruns and has continued to put up very good numbers since that time. Ortiz was actually older back then than Pujols is now and Pujols is a better hitter than Ortiz so I don't see why Pujols can't be a 30 HR, 100 RBI, and a .900 OPS player for five or six more seasons.
Posted on 5/5/12 at 12:30 pm to TigerStripes06
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When pujols signed his contract in 2004, it was a pretty good deal for both sides
Exactly - and when you sign a long term deal as a player both sides take a risk. The team risks the player becoming much less productive (which is what usually happens when a player gets a long term deal). The player risks contract sizes continuing to rise and being underpaid compared to others in the future.
When a player weighs the options and still presses for the long term deal (guaranteed money) he loses any ability to claim he was underpaid in retrospect. If he wants to make more money he should expect to accept less security and sign short term deals for more money per year (what the Dodgers did with Manny Ramirez for example).
I have zero sympathy for the argument a player who demanded and received a long term deal was underpaid in retrospect. That is the bed he made, jumped into, and demanded to be tucked into.
Posted on 5/5/12 at 2:55 pm to molsusports
Obviously the correct answer is to hold out if you don't like the contract you signed 2 seasons ago
Posted on 5/5/12 at 2:58 pm to molsusports
quote:That has never been a problem with Pujols, so...
I have zero sympathy for the argument a player who demanded and received a long term deal was underpaid in retrospect. That is the bed he made, jumped into, and demanded to be tucked into.
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