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Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:39 am to lsupride87
You said the DA didn’t look into Joe.
I’m under the impression that this DA has Miller’s entire conversation with Miles. Video from nearby buildings. And video + audio from Miller’s dash cam in his own vehicle. And also has been in discussions with Miller.
Idk why you’re comparing the two situations.
I’m under the impression that this DA has Miller’s entire conversation with Miles. Video from nearby buildings. And video + audio from Miller’s dash cam in his own vehicle. And also has been in discussions with Miller.
Idk why you’re comparing the two situations.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:49 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:I did?
You said the DA didn’t look into Joe.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:52 am to lsupride87
Idk, I thought you did.
Maybe not.
Maybe not.
quote:Forgive me for I guess misconstruing what this was supposed to mean
Paterno never committed a crime or was ever even questioned by the DA for a crime
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 9:55 am
Posted on 2/22/23 at 10:00 am to ReauxlTide222
Would be pretty funny if the next time Bama played away half the arena chanted “WRONG SPOT” and the other half chanted “WRONG TIME”
Oats would be fuming
Oats would be fuming
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 10:01 am
Posted on 2/22/23 at 10:44 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:
Anyone who has observed the dude would say he seems like a good dude.
Y’all are ridiculous.
The guy obediently bringing a weapon to a dispute immediately before that weapon was used to commit murder is what the world has observed. I don't know anyone whose actions facilitated the killing of another person in such a direct way, but I'd put them low on my good dude list just for that.
The good Christians in the bible belt don't seem keen on recognizing that if this kid had grabbed his bible instead of a gun and his keys, a mother would likely be alive today.
But hey, if he had a serious discussion with his coaches about the pitfalls and consequences of bringing a loaded weapon to a drunk buddy to a bar fight at 2am who ultimately used that weapon to murder an innocent woman, and they determined that there really aren't any, then roll tide.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 11:02 am to GRTiger
quote:This isn’t what happened.
bringing a loaded weapon to a drunk buddy to a bar fight at 2am who ultimately used that weapon to murder an innocent woman
And when I said he “seems like a good guy from what we’ve been able to observe” I clearly meant before this gun situation.
As in, it’s all a bit shocking because this guy seems like a kind, thoughtful, mature guy. He just does. I’m sorry that bothers y’all.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 11:06 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:
This isn’t what happened.
Yea it is
Why would your wrong and incredibly biased opinion bother me? I bet it bothers me even less than this kid's actions directly leading to a shooting death bothers you, which appears to be very little.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:00 pm to GRTiger
No it isn’t.
And I’m not trying to bother you
And I’m not trying to bother you
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:10 pm to GRTiger
Regardless of whether he gets charged or not, coach or the university need to sit him
Which won't happen
Which won't happen
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:12 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
No it isn’t.
Which part is incorrect?
quote:
And I’m not trying to bother you
You're not. This kid's actions bother me, but I'm weird about accountability for one's contributions to a cold blooded murder.
You brought being bothered into this, btw. It was clearly a throwaway condescending and intentionally obtuse dig, but you need to figure out how to uncross all the lines you've cast in here.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:33 pm to GRTiger
quote:Miller didn’t bring a gun to a person who used it to murder someone
Which part is incorrect?
Miller brought a legally owned firearm to a person who left it in his car when Miller dropped off the person at a bar. That person texted Miller and said someone is being sketchy/wants smoke so I need my gat back. Miller brought it to the owner. The owner gave it to a 3rd party who then pulled a murder.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:04 pm to ReauxlTide222
Good grief,are you still condoning Miller's behavior that night as if he returned someone's lawnmower? Nothing questionable at all,right?
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:09 pm to ReauxlTide222
Ahhh, so the owner of the gun isn't being charged with capital murder? My mistake.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:11 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
Miller brought a legally owned firearm to a person who left it in his car when Miller dropped off the person at a bar. That person texted Miller and said someone is being sketchy/wants smoke so I need my gat back. Miller brought it to the owner. The owner gave it to a 3rd party who then pulled a murder.
Dude he brought gun to someone who was asking for it at 1am. That gun was then used to literally kill someone. Its insane that you're even trying to get into semantics about this.
Whether its theirs or not, if anyone asks me to bring them a gun in the middle of the night there is not a chance in hell Im doing it. Their property or not.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:12 pm to I-59 Tiger
quote:
“Based on what we know, the declination by the Tuscaloosa DA is correct and Miller should not be charged,’’ said Jay Town, a former U.S. Attorney and prosecutor in Madison County. “It doesn’t appear evidence exists that Miller knew that transferring the firearm was for an unlawful purpose, hindsight notwithstanding.”
“Therefore, no (conspiracy or aiding and abetting) would apply,’’ Town added. “It doesn’t seem there is a federal theory of prosecution either,’’ under federal laws.
quote:I definitely question Miller. Very stupid imo to bring the guy’s lawfully owned gun back to him. He should have said frick off and call the cops if you feel threatened and I’m not coming back.
Nothing questionable at all,right?
I’d even be cool with Miller getting kicked off the team if more comes out that he knew he was about to help some 3rd party do a murder(even if charges never come).
But right now, given what we know and what the DA has as evidence and what they’ve stated, I’m not ready to kick the guy off the team, much less charge him.
And further, y’all have run with the “blocking the Jeep’s exit in order to make sure the occupants die” to the point that I feel compelled to push back. And I’ll continue to push back until we get more information.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:13 pm to More beer please
The Gumps are like a muleteam with their responses. Only about three have conceded Miller used bad judgement. Most like this guy think he's a black Opie Taylor.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:14 pm to More beer please
quote:Irrelevant
Dude he brought gun to someone who was asking for it at 1am.
quote:I’m right there with you
Whether its theirs or not, if anyone asks me to bring them a gun in the middle of the night there is not a chance in hell Im doing it. Their property or not.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:14 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
That person texted Miller and said someone is being sketchy/wants smoke so I need my gat back. Miller brought it to the owner.
quote:
I’d even be cool with Miller getting kicked off the team if more comes out that he knew he was about to help some 3rd party do a murder
You said yourself he knew
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:18 pm to WuShock
This would make an interesting case study on fanatics.
The two most common responses on here from Bama fans:
1. “You don’t even care about the victim!”
2. “Miller can’t be charged with anything!”
Not caring about the victim? This is a weird deflect, since wanting people involved in a murder to face appropriate consequences goes hand in hand with seeking justice for the victim.
And…it seems that this fanbase is ONLY ok with an athlete being disciplined if charges are brought forth. There’s hundreds examples each year of athletes being suspended for less.
NEXT:
Average Bama fans are going for the exception on almost every incident. Occam’s razor suggests that Miller (assuming he isn’t mentally handicapped) could assume the gun was going to be used to inflict hurt.
Some of the rationalizations from Bama fans:
1. “He was just returning someone else’s property”
2. “Poor Miller had no way of knowing this would happen.”
3. “The car was accidentally boxed in!”
4. “How do we know the bullet holes in the car weren’t already there?”
Bottom line: 99% of programs (coaches or ADs) would have announced they’d be sitting the kid until further notice. At the very LEAST, if he is 100% innocent, he’s not being succumbed to the brutal treatment he’s about to face. This may not be Penn State level, but it’s already at Baylor level.
The two most common responses on here from Bama fans:
1. “You don’t even care about the victim!”
2. “Miller can’t be charged with anything!”
Not caring about the victim? This is a weird deflect, since wanting people involved in a murder to face appropriate consequences goes hand in hand with seeking justice for the victim.
And…it seems that this fanbase is ONLY ok with an athlete being disciplined if charges are brought forth. There’s hundreds examples each year of athletes being suspended for less.
NEXT:
Average Bama fans are going for the exception on almost every incident. Occam’s razor suggests that Miller (assuming he isn’t mentally handicapped) could assume the gun was going to be used to inflict hurt.
Some of the rationalizations from Bama fans:
1. “He was just returning someone else’s property”
2. “Poor Miller had no way of knowing this would happen.”
3. “The car was accidentally boxed in!”
4. “How do we know the bullet holes in the car weren’t already there?”
Bottom line: 99% of programs (coaches or ADs) would have announced they’d be sitting the kid until further notice. At the very LEAST, if he is 100% innocent, he’s not being succumbed to the brutal treatment he’s about to face. This may not be Penn State level, but it’s already at Baylor level.
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