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Posted on 4/3/22 at 11:03 pm to
Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 4/3/22 at 11:03 pm to
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Senna was unbelievable.


Onboard of Aryton Senna wheeling the frick out of his car at Monaco in 1990


Senna said frick a vibration
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/4/22 at 5:55 am to
The Honda v12 sound was glorious.

The wall built at Portier hiding the ocean view sucks
Posted by Noryev
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 4/4/22 at 6:42 am to
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I’m disappointed no one has posted this important bit of news yet:

April fools
Posted by tccdc
Washington, DC
Member since Sep 2007
4020 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 7:14 am to
1983 Monaco - Youtube

Watched this yesterday, I had never saw this before...but the last 3 laps were crazy...

Sorry if a repeat.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:07 am to
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Senna


Seems like I read his weakness was providing feedback on what the car was doing so that the crew could make improvements.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:50 am to
Yes, I know it’s April fools. It’s still funny
Posted by MountainTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
14957 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 10:10 am to
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motogp in Argentina is nuts

That was a heck of a race.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 1:04 pm to
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Senna


Check out the foot work.

Senna Drives an NSX
This post was edited on 4/4/22 at 1:07 pm
Posted by TouchedTheAxeIn82
near the Apple spaceship
Member since Nov 2012
7363 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:02 pm to
It was posted before but it's race week so let's revisit the new Albert Park layout.

The track tweaks set to make Melbourne's Albert Park Circuit 5 seconds a lap quicker

Turns 1, 3, and 15 have small changes to make them faster. Turn 6 looks like a small change on the map but it's actually a big change that makes it much faster. Turn 13 is actually tighter now. And the biggest change of all is the elimination of the Turn 9/10 chicane, creating a curvy backstraight with a higher speed approaching the super fast Turn 11/12 chicane.

Here's a sim lap of the new Albert Park layout in Assetto Corsa: Albert Park Grand Prix Circuit 2022 Simulation (YouTube)

Old map with the new changes:



There are now four DRS zones! This is a first in F1.
www.racefans.net/2022/04/04/fourth-drs-zone-added-for-f1s-return-to-albert-park-circuit/

New map with the four DRS zones and new corner numbers:

Posted by fightin tigers
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:04 pm to
The new cars should eliminate the need for DRS....

F1 Management says hold my beer.
Posted by TouchedTheAxeIn82
near the Apple spaceship
Member since Nov 2012
7363 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:52 pm to
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The new cars should eliminate the need for DRS....

F1 Management says hold my beer.

It's funny and sad that the new rules were designed to eliminate the need for DRS, but the combination of the new aero and DRS has resulted in an exciting show that the drivers don't like, but the fans love. At Bahrain, Leclerc making the on-the-fly tactical move to allow Max to pass at Turn 1, so Leclerc can nail him at Turn 4, made for a great show for the fans, and looking at the new Albert Park map, we now have two DRS-zone-pairs where this kind of tactic might work.

Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 4/4/22 at 5:03 pm to
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Seems like I read his weakness was providing feedback on what the car was doing so that the crew could make improvements.


He had multiple weaknesses but that is one.

Senna had the innate ability to drive around a car's issues which lead him to never developing the ability to diagnose and help the engineers rectify issues. At least at the level of the better F1 drivers.

He also had near zero mechanical sympathy. He would drive a car into the ground that could have been nursed home.

He also had poor situational awareness, he never cared what other drivers were dealing with he just drove on with the highest pace he could muster until he won, wrecked or destroyed the car.

He had horribly abrupt inputs, especially the throttle. If the NSX video is the one I think it is you can see the throttle inputs could be from someone named Stabby McStabbin. His speed was from being OVER the limit 50% of the time.

There has never been an F1 driver with more raw pace than Senna but he was far from a well-rounded driver. If you could mix Senna, Prost, and Schumacher together you would have a near perfect driver. You would have to ensure you didn't create a driver with their cumulative aggression though otherwise "it" would rarely finish a race.

If you want to see a race Senna lost due to his "weaknesses" Monaco '88 is the classic example. Leading by almost a minute with 12 laps left and his engineer begging him to slow down he just couldn't and binned it in Portier. He got out of the car and walked home. This is a race he got pole by about 1.5 seconds over Prost in the same car and 3 seconds ahead of the Ferraris and dominated the entire time he was running. Prost just rolled through the checkered flag a long way in front of the Ferraris. Despite winning the WDC that year he still scored fewer points than Prost but won due to the drop races.



Posted by XenScott
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 4/4/22 at 8:12 pm to
Yes. He pushed harder and harder until something had to give. He seemed obsessed with the next lap being the best lap.

There was another race in the wet that he looked like he was on rails when everyone else was sliding around. He kept getting faster and faster.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:06 pm to
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There was another race in the wet that he looked like he was on rails when everyone else was sliding around.


You are probably thinking of Donnington in '93, the first lap is considered the best wet lap ever driven in an F1 car. If you are thinking just about Monaco it would have 1984.

This brings about a thought. I would highly suggest especially for the DTS group of F1 fans sub to the basic F1 TV for a month or so (only 2.99 a month) and watch some of the old classic races. Once you get back into the 80s in the archive they don't have too many full races but they have extended highlights that are over an hour long.

Unfortunately, once it get back into the 70s they only have season highlights which is a shame. One of the best battles you will ever see in F1 was at the 79 French GP at Dijon where Rene and Gilles fount it out for the last 4 laps with Gilles holding off the turbo-powered Renault for 2nd. This is the best, though not English, video available:

YT

Gilles Villeneuve is one of the reasons I pay little attention to the record books when talking about the best drivers in F1, he only had 6 wins and 2 poles (IIRC) but he was one of the best that ever drove.

If you sub to F1 TV and pull some random lists of the greatest drives from the web and watch them I assure you that you will not feel ripped off.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:16 pm to
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If you want to see a race Senna lost due to his "weaknesses" Monaco '88 is the classic example.


I recall seeing that race back then. One of the networks, probably ABC, televised it on tape delay if I remember correctly. Senna refused to go less than 100%. Ever.

F1 actually was on US TV back then but usually on tape as I recall. Don't remember if all the races were but I was watching whatever was on.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30391 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:31 pm to
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I recall seeing that race back then. One of the networks, probably ABC, televised it on tape delay if I remember correctly.


That may have been when ABC still showed Monaco on delay every year. Back in the 70s that was about the only US coverage except maybe CBS would pick up a US GP. Delays back then were fine for the races, it isn't like the internet was going to spoil it for you.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78304 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:41 pm to
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F1 actually was on US TV back then but usually on tape as I recall. Don't remember if all the races were but I was watching whatever was on.



Speaking of. In an interview with Liberty they discussed someone other than ESPN possibly getting the rights next year. Would suck for them to decide to add commercials.
Posted by BigGreenTiger
Member since Mar 2022
792 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:43 pm to
I don’t think they will add commercials. But if they do, F1TV pro is amazing.
Posted by Street Hawk
Member since Nov 2014
3644 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 10:45 pm to
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Mercedes engineers blame the weak top speeds on increased air resistance compared to the others.

The beam wing and the main blade of the rear wing are mainly responsible for this.

The W13 apparently lacks efficiency here, which is to be fixed with new parts in Australia.

LINK

Not sure how much you can trust this, but if Mercedes can somehow figure out their car/engine issues, and there is a chance for a 3-way fight for wins in the second half of the season, where Hamilton/Russell can play spoilsport to the front running Max/Leclerc, it should make for awesome racing.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
30391 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 11:01 pm to
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but if Mercedes can somehow figure out their car/engine issues


They can figure out their power issues (however much there actually is) but unless it is on the electric side they can't do much if anything about it until 2025.

While possible I don't see going into the last 3-4 races in a three-way fight for the WCC, mainly due to the cap. Mercedes's burn rate is almost certainly much higher than RBR and Ferrari right now. I think Mercedes's high point will be just after the summer break when I think they will be close to the other two but will wane as I bet they don't have the cap to match the other two's development in the latter part of the season. Ferrari will likely lose the most wind-tunnel and CFD time when it gets reshuffled mid-season but I think the die is cast. I just don't see the massive shifts in lap times we have seen in previous years due to the pesky cap.
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