re: Trump to impose 100% tariff on China starting November 1

I get the frustration, but tariffs are a blunt instrument that punish U.S. consumers and allies as much as they punish China, and they don’t actually stop capital flow. Capital finds paths around tariffs; it’s mobile and global. If the goal is to reduce U.S. financial exposure to China, the right tools aren’t tariffs but targeted investment restrictions, supply-chain incentives, and financial transparency rules.

Panicans are out in force today I see.

Get ahold of yourselves.

Could this be about soybeans?

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That kind of works both ways doesn’t it? China would implode with US dollars for their crap.

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It really doesn’t. China will let their citizens starve and die in streets if it came to it. We would hand out Trillions in stimulus and other handouts to prevent such a situation. We are 37 Trillion in debt of which Trump added 7.8 Trillion his first term and will exceed that this term. So, no it doesn’t go both ways.

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Trump has zero play with China, there is no hand to play. They are the only country on earth that has the ability to bring the US economy to a halt easily.

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good grief you're clueless. China cant hurt us at all.

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I'm a typical small business owner. I have a container that may or may not ship out of China before Nov 1. It'll be close. That $100k container I've already paid for may or may not cost me $200k. I could get fricked if it doesn't ship out in time, and then I'm going to frick the consumer, assuming they even want to buy those products at twice the price.

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Hey typical small business owner.

What goods are you peddling out of China in one single freight container that can’t be found from manufacturers in other countries (or hey how bout the US) for less than the 100% markup?

How bout you choose to stop exploiting child labor for your profit and instead source responsibly and split the gap in cogs with your consumer?

You chose to buy cheap goods from a nation we are actively in a trade war with, instead of paying 10-20% more for those goods from a more secure source. That is your risk that you chose to assume. You don’t get to pass that failure onto your customer.

Or maybe stop building a career in buying cheap wholesale garbage from
China and reselling it here like it’s nice altogether.

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What goods are you peddling out of China in one single freight container that can’t be found from manufacturers in other countries (or hey how bout the US) for less than the 100% markup?

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Shower door hardware. There isn't any made in the US. You can get some out of Malaysia or Indonesia, but it's awful quality and there's less variety of what's in demand in the US as far as finishes and styles. Prices are about the same. It's also unclear if they are just rebranded Chinese hardware.

The Chinese factory I work with makes excellent quality hardware, and we've worked together over the past couple of years to come up with the best hardware sold in the US. My customers hate when I have to source hardware from somewhere other than my main Chinese factory, which I've had to do some this year because of the trade war. I don't like it either. I want to sell quality stuff that looks great and performs well. I don't want to sell bullshite hardware like my competitors.

I thought the tariff mess had settled down, so I placed a big order in August. Turns out I was wrong. If the new 100% stands, I'll live, but I'm not happy about it. It complicates things.

I used to import mirrors and laminated glass from China, but we've stopped that because additional duties have been placed on Chinese and Malaysian glass outside of the Trump tariffs. I have a guy in India right now trying to locate me some quality stuff. Say what you want about Chinese quality, but they make damn good mirrors. Much better than what is made in the US. Like, a lot better. The Chinese mirrors I used to get use what's called "mirror-grade" float glass. Most other places use standard B-grade float glass. The mirror-grade cuts like butter and has minimal distortion. B-grade looks like a funhouse mirror. Mrs. Jones in her new $10mm house isn't going to accept b-grade mirrors in her home gym, and that's my main customer.

So, you want to tell me where I can find quality product other than China? Because believe me, I've tried. When I first started buying Chinese, I felt pretty shitty about it, but as time has gone on, I've accepted that it is what it is. Every wire I send over there gives me a little heartburn, but they've always treated me well and supplied me with what they said they would.

Perplexity's Response: 10 to 15 Years (Possibly 20 Years)

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Perplexity's Response: 10 to 15 Years (Possibly 20 Years)

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I think we can streamline the 10-15 years down under current leadership. "Environmental, regulatory delays" should not be a stopper unless we let Democrats back in control.