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Thoughts on strategy to trade this volatility

Posted on 7/24/26 at 11:10 pm
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/24/26 at 11:10 pm
Is there a way to play the volatility we’ve seen in these stocks?. I don’t have enough shares in most to sell options…and I don’t want to go naked.

It seems like you could do a tight straddle with a 60 day strike and it would work if you sell when one swings into the green.

Thoughts? TIA.

Posted by Boomer Rick
Member since Apr 2021
437 posts
Posted on 7/24/26 at 11:28 pm to
Don’t?
Posted by beaverfever
Arkansas
Member since Jan 2008
36363 posts
Posted on 7/25/26 at 2:26 am to
quote:

Don’t?
But seriously, this.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
21753 posts
Posted on 7/25/26 at 5:17 am to
If you can lose more than all of your money, it’s not an investment.
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
47997 posts
Posted on 7/25/26 at 6:03 am to
This is the headline of a CNBC article from a couple days ago.

Warren Buffett on the market today: ‘It’s tough to find values when everybody is preferring gambling’
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
82918 posts
Posted on 7/25/26 at 7:38 am to
Buy shares on the dip, and immediately put in a limit order to sell when it goes back up. Hedge against a slow rebound by getting dividend stocks.

Trading volatility is another way of saying trying to time the market.

You could also buy the Volatility Index but you'd be buying high.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
26108 posts
Posted on 7/25/26 at 7:44 am to
Buy low, buy lower.
Sell higher.

Seriously. I’d just wait.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
26108 posts
Posted on 7/25/26 at 8:47 am to
The most conservative way to play this and actually make money is to buy a high beta stock and sell when QQQ makes its new higher low…somewhere around 705…

This may only be a 1-3 day trade in this crazy market.
I wouldn’t even play both sides. Chop up city.

Posted by BCvol
Member since Jan 2022
927 posts
Posted on 7/25/26 at 8:54 am to
day traders love volatility for a reason. Carefully pick your entry and take whatever profit you can while minimizing loss. Those charts that look like a saw blade pattern are perfect for this strategy.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
20758 posts
Posted on 7/25/26 at 9:19 am to
quote:

Don’t?
But seriously, this.




Good to get validation on my current strategy - which is hold and watch.

ETA: also my trading account is play money than anything else where I’m trying new ideas. Small positions, exit if it turns on me. I don’t want to lose my arse but I’m 2x the S&P YTD so I have some room.
This post was edited on 7/25/26 at 10:07 am
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
11479 posts
Posted on 7/25/26 at 10:05 am to
the debasement trade is alive and well ….. soon to resume the bull
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
26108 posts
Posted on 7/25/26 at 10:07 am to
And I don’t like to have a large QQQ hedge on during these times.
One tweet and you’ve lost 70% on your puts. That’s the point so keep it small.
And make sure your other stocks will pump big on that tweet.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
20758 posts
Posted on 7/25/26 at 10:13 am to
quote:

One tweet and you’ve lost 70% on your puts. That’s the point so keep it small.


I’ve got plenty of upside if things go well as I’m long on everything. I might start hedging for the downside but need to better understand when and how much and for what duration.
Posted by AkronTiger
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Member since May 2021
3449 posts
Posted on 7/25/26 at 11:53 am to
quote:

It seems like you could do a tight straddle with a 60 day strike and it would work if you sell when one swings into the green.


Timing the market guy is back
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
17952 posts
Posted on 7/26/26 at 4:24 pm to
Get a crystal ball.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
26108 posts
Posted on 7/26/26 at 6:38 pm to
The most we can know this week is can QQQ reclaim some moving averages?

If it gets close, will you short it?
If it breaks out, will you go long?

That’s about all you can do.
Shorting just because it may be deep green tomorrow is a fool’s errand.
Posted by W2NOMO
Member since Jul 2025
3221 posts
Posted on 7/26/26 at 7:58 pm to
shite you can buy on Friday and sell on Monday the way things are going.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
26108 posts
Posted on 7/26/26 at 8:21 pm to
Posted by Omada
Hoist the black flag, slit throats
Member since Jun 2015
760 posts
Posted on 7/26/26 at 10:21 pm to
quote:

He’s spot on. Let it be your guide.

Ehhhhhhhhhh, I don't know how much predictive power closing above the 50 SMA actually has.

This will be an apples to pears comparison in regards to what he is saying since he is talking Nasdaq instead of SPX, but they're similar enough. I have a spreadsheet analyzing the performance of SPX closing above or below several simple moving averages.

If you bought SPX at the open the day after it closed above the 50 SMA and held until 20 days passed without SPX crossing (potentially back) above the 50 SMA, you'd have an average return of 1.094% per trade over the past 33 years. 125 trades, 68% win rate without considering trading fees and slippage, average trade length of 31 trading days (approximately 1 1/2 months).

On the other hand, if you did the same thing but bought when SPX closed below the 50 SMA, you'd get an average of 1.085% per trade over that same time period. 125 trades, also 68% win rate, and average trade length of 30 trading days. Not much of a difference.

Then you look at SPX's average 30 day return over that time period and realize it is 1.135% with a 65% win rate and wonder why you would even bother.
This post was edited on 7/26/26 at 10:47 pm
Posted by Kingpenm3
Xanadu
Member since Aug 2011
10000 posts
Posted on 7/27/26 at 9:26 am to
Trump drops bombs on Fridays and calls for peace on Sundays.
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