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re: Investing question for the board from a position of complete ignorance.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 2:08 am to SuperFanDan
Posted on 5/3/26 at 2:08 am to SuperFanDan
quote:Yes, it's bad. EJ fees will massively erode your total returns over time. Just Google long term cost of AUM fees. Plus they tend to build unnecessarily complex portfolios using high cost funds and on top of it all will probably try to convince you to buy high commission annuities or other products. Your time is better spent learning the basics of managing your own $ instead of stock picking with fun $.
it's that bad that I have a money manager at Edward Jones? Care to elaborate
This post was edited on 5/3/26 at 2:12 am
Posted on 5/3/26 at 7:03 am to SuperFanDan
quote:I view short-term and swing trades differently. Neither is a major part of what I do. Maybe 10-15% ROI.
actively swing trading or position trading
Basically, if a stock unexpectedly skyrockets in a tax-protected account, I'll lock in profits short-term. I avoid ST trades in regular accounts. The tax exposure is simply too steep.
When I swing trade, it's always with a stock/company I've either dealt with for years and am comfortable range trading during volatility, or a company I understand both fundamentally and functionally. E.g., MRNA in the 2000-2021 timeframe. Understanding the company, the science, and its interplay with epidemiology, and politics helped.
Given that for every buyer there is a seller, for every transactional winner there is a losing counterparty. So there is not some simple formula. Unless you follow the markets more closely than your OP intimates though, buy-and-hold index investing is really the way to go.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 7:34 am to TorchtheFlyingTiger
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Yes, it's bad. EJ fees will massively erode your total returns over time.
Wow, I didn't know any of that. Is there another competitor company to EJ that you would suggest moving my money to until I've done enough research to manage it myself?
I just really don't feel comfortable taking that on on my own right now.
This post was edited on 5/3/26 at 7:36 am
Posted on 5/3/26 at 7:41 am to TorchtheFlyingTiger
Yep. I cut out my fidelity guy years ago. I did an analysis of my return and his return. I beat him with simple etf, he had over 20 funds, some with high expense. You may want to look at the funds they have you invested in.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 7:52 am to SuperFanDan
You might consider a robo advisor with a low cost brokerage. There is another current topic about moving from high fee advisor. In meantime, I'd.focus.on learning how to self manage instead stock analysis. Perhaps read The Simple Path to Wealth: Your Road Map to Financial Independence and a Rich, Free Life by JL Collins https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/money/fiduciary-and-self-managing-question
Posted on 5/3/26 at 8:07 am to SuperFanDan
it has been discussed here ad infinitum the last 10-15 years on this board. Have you not read this board in that time frame? There are tons of links on it. high fees,commissions, loads, expense ratios, poor fund choice, poor advice, etc. you are basically letting a salesman manage your money.
you are better off just throwing it in an index fund.
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run away from EJ. it is not too late. make it happen.
you are better off just throwing it in an index fund.
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run away from EJ. it is not too late. make it happen.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 8:20 am to lynxcat
quote:Please listen to this advice. I did years ago when the money board was created (probably from Lynxcat) and it was served me extremely well.
You don’t need to invest in individual stocks. Just buy a total market fund and be done with it. You are over complicating th
Posted on 5/3/26 at 8:47 am to NC_Tigah
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buy-and-hold index investing is really the way to go.
There are multiple ways to get to your promised land, but THIS got us to ours.
If you want to spend chunk of your life deep in stock research chasing the highest returns, go for it. Fun and peak chasing can be fun. However, most (not all) do not beat the index after tax return over time. We were too busy at sports parks, events etc raising family so low cost indexing investing (primarily) served us well.
Afforded us target nest egg early, to eject from working life (early) that was the plan. Suffice it to say it works!
(1+k)^n —> n (time) is the magic. Start investing in cash generating assets early, structure this into your life automatically, and don’t fret on perfect investing. Time is your compounding friend.
I started career w/MBA in hand thinking like hare. I am now hiking somewhere every week in retirement and, in reflection, think tortoise wins. Boring as it seems.
For us, of course. Share from our perspective only.
Good luck!
This post was edited on 5/3/26 at 8:50 am
Posted on 5/3/26 at 9:47 am to SuperFanDan
I started investing in individual stocks much like you and learned some hard lessons quickly chasing some penny stocks.
Now I only try to invest in solid companies and just looking for realistic gains. Sometimes I buy and sell for quick gains and other times I hold for long term gains. Patience is the key, but I still struggle with that part at times.
Now I only try to invest in solid companies and just looking for realistic gains. Sometimes I buy and sell for quick gains and other times I hold for long term gains. Patience is the key, but I still struggle with that part at times.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 7:01 am to Fat Bastard
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This board is priceless. sure i did many on my own but this board has made me lots of money on stock picks alone!
Was referring to the seeking Alpha boards. Alot of the people posting articles and comments on website are just average joe's but many others are really good and have many years of knowledge.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 9:08 am to Everyday Is Saturday
quote:Show off
(1+k)^n —> n (time) is the magic
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:25 pm to FLObserver
quote:
Was referring to the seeking Alpha boards.
my bad
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:34 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
quote:
If you want to spend chunk of your life deep in stock research chasing the highest returns, go for it. Fun and peak chasing can be fun. However, most (not all) do not beat the index after tax return over time. We were too busy at sports parks, events etc raising family so low cost indexing investing (primarily) served us well.
yep....the dead outperform the living
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:48 pm to SuperFanDan
You want REAL advise? You’ll never have any edge against the street in valuing companies. Thats not to discourage you from educating yourself but I wouldn’t try to fashion yourself into a self directed, value investor. That’s a really crowded game and there is no edge to be found.
Now, if you’re just talking about getting rid of Edward jones and picking your own ETFs and CDs, that could be great.
Just be careful when you read about people picking stocks. I can’t pick stocks (particularly based on fundamentals) and consistently beat the S&P. And I’ve been hanging out in this sandbox since I was ~12, got a finance-investments degree, and still love this shite 20 years later.
The only edge to be found in terms of outperforming the indexes is on a macro level IMO. Alternative assets are institutionally under-examined and they can crush the indexes in certain regimes. Risk management is very important if you go that route though.
Now, if you’re just talking about getting rid of Edward jones and picking your own ETFs and CDs, that could be great.
Just be careful when you read about people picking stocks. I can’t pick stocks (particularly based on fundamentals) and consistently beat the S&P. And I’ve been hanging out in this sandbox since I was ~12, got a finance-investments degree, and still love this shite 20 years later.
The only edge to be found in terms of outperforming the indexes is on a macro level IMO. Alternative assets are institutionally under-examined and they can crush the indexes in certain regimes. Risk management is very important if you go that route though.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 10:23 pm to SuperFanDan
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embarrassingly, all I've ever done is sock away money in my 401k and let my money guy at Edward Jones keep me diversified and on track for retirement.
Actually that is pretty noble. The percentage of people like you are very small compared to the masses. Heck I was at a company that gave a huge 401K match, and many employees invested nothing and instead left all that $$$ on the table.
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1) What is a good resource (book/s, podcast, business journal, etc) for understanding a companies fundamentals and whether their stock price is under or over valued.
2)Where do you guys find out about up and coming companies to keep an eye on (any sector)
3) Once you find a company of interest, do you have a quick "formula" you use to assess if you want to get involved ( Revenue, earnings, assests vs liabilities, solid CEO etc) ?
If you want to do all of this stuff, do it with fun money. I've always believed in letting the professional handle it. I think its pretty ignorant to not use their resources.
I have bought random stocks from this board's recommendation. Some did well, others bombed. However, it was fun money to see if I hit the jackpot.
I have so much going on, and don't have time to research. Leave that to the financial institution you delegated that responsibility to.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 11:24 pm to beaverfever
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You want REAL advise? You’ll never have any edge against the street in valuing companies. Thats not to discourage you from educating yourself but I wouldn’t try to fashion yourself into a self directed, value investor. That’s a really crowded game and there is no edge to be found.
Honestly, the first page of the NBIS thread disproves this as many of us got in before most analysts had even heard of the name.
New methods of information has changed everything. You can get the “edge” now that you could not have obtained in 1995, 2005, or even 2015.
It will take research and risk however.
It happened with NBIS at $30 per share, and it may be happening now with other names near the top of this board.
Posted on 5/5/26 at 10:32 am to SuperFanDan
Drop the Edward Jones guy and buy VTI for the next 25 years, done.
Posted on 5/5/26 at 11:41 am to bayoubengals88
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Honestly, the first page of the NBIS thread disproves this
Even if "the first page of the NBIS thread" disproved anything (it doesn't), one bet does not consititute a trend.
Posted on 5/5/26 at 12:32 pm to Fat Bastard
quote:
This board is priceless. sure i did many on my own but this board has made me lots of money on stock picks alone!
This....make it easy on yourself. Put a good majority into broad ETF funds such as VOO and QQQ. Figure out what % you want to put into a few individual stocks to start, then you can increase that amount if you wish as you become more confident. I've been able to basically double my investment portfolio in the past year by going with ETF's and stock picks mentioned here. Of course I had a great start time by investing during the tariff aftermath a year ago!
Posted on 5/5/26 at 12:37 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:That’s fine. I don’t need a trend. I need an edge in 1-3 names.
Even if "the first page of the NBIS thread" disproved anything (it doesn't), one bet does not consititute a trend.
I’ve found one, and I think I may have found two more.
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