re: You guys bashing Woody for the men’s bball hire are crazy

Yea Woody is horrible. LSU track #1,LSU baseball #1,
FOOTBALL
in BKs 2nd year preseason top 10,GYMNASTICS top 5,Swimming
has one of top girls in the world SOFTBALL TOP 20.BASKETBALL
total rebuild because of WILL WADE .If MM doesnt have a
very good tranfer haul this offseason yall might be right
about him. The overall outlook on the A department is very good to great the next few years.

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Where are you getting $3MM. He’ll make 2.9MM on average over 6 years. Made 2.6 this year.

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2.6M is his supplemental pay. $400K is his actual base salary. He also received a one time $35K relocation payment, for a total of $3,035.000.

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John Calipari, Kentucky: $8,533,483

Bruce Pearl, Auburn: $5,449,152

Rick Barnes, Tennessee: $5,450,000

Buzz Williams, Texas A&M: $4,100,000

Eric Musselman, Arkansas: $4,100,000

Nate Oats, Alabama: $3,418,644

Mike White, Georgia: $3,405,000

Kermit Davis, Ole Miss: $3,152,500

Jerry Stackhouse, Vanderbilt: $3,138,107

Todd Golden, Florida: $3,100,000

Matt McMahon, LSU: $3,035,000

Dennis Gates, Missouri: $2,500,000

Chris Jans, Mississippi State: $2,400,000

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You won't really know he was a miss until after next year. If next year is like this year then yeah, you might be right. Until then it is all speculation and opinion.

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Until then it is all speculation and opinion.

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It's not completely speculation and opinion. We have actual data from this season...and it was not good. He had the worst 1st season of any of the last 4 coaches hired by LSU. Some will say the previous three did not take over a program under such adverse circumstances. And they would be right. But it's also fact that those other HCs didn't have the benefit of the current transfer rules/atmosphere that allows coaches to greatly expedite the process of putting together a winning team, quickly.

The double-edged sword of the transfer rules is that it allows coaches to quickly lose most of their team in the blink of an eye. Which is what happened to teams like LSU, Kansas St, Missouri, etc. But also allows coaches to bring in a mostly new team and be successful immediately. Thus, the tolerance for poor performance is greatly reduced relative to prior eras. Don't think that is "fair"? Then don't be a major-conf. college basketball. But that is the reality of the current college basketball landscape.

If at the end of next season the team is just as bad, or only slightly improved, it will be time to move on because any further years will just be a waste of time if the ultimate goal is competing for championships. That is an incredibly tough standard to hold a coach to. But when programs like Iowa St, Missouri, Kansas St., none of whom have significantly greater resources than LSU, are proving amazingly quick rebuilds can be accomplished, waiting around to see if one day the current coach at LSU might have success isn't really warranted.

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Let’s keep it going

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Welcome back. Must have been a rough weekend for you.

You just disproved your previous post.

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The angst against having a competitive Men's Basketball program is amazing to me. Like, why?

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That's because the angst isn't against having a competitive basketball program. It's angst between one group of posters, Will Wade fanatics, against another group of posters, Will Wade haters. Thus, both sides take uncompromising positions which often lead to stupid conclusions/debates. I despise hyperbole because it often leads to a lack of credibility. And you've seen hyperbole in both directions of the Wade debate.

Contrary to the belief of some, Wade was not one of the best coaches in college basketball based upon his results. Best and most consistent HC at LSU is decades with reason for optimism it could continue and improve? Yep. But one of the best in the sport? Not quite...or at least not yet.

On the other side he was FAR from a horrible coach, or even just a good recruiter as some foolishly continue to argue. Contrary to popular belief, NO successful coach simply just recruits great players, rolls the ball on the court, and produces results. You have to be able to coach. And Wade proved he could. Any opinion to the contrary is equally as irrational as those suggesting he was one of the best in America.

Yet, every discussion ultimately devolves into that stupid debate. If you are an LSU basketball fan you want McMahon to succeed because you want LSU basketball to succeed. But it doesn't make you NOT a fan if that based upon the objective evidence seen this season you have real concerns if McMahon can succeed here.

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It's angst between one group of posters, Will Wade fanatics, against another group of posters, Will Wade haters.

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This is half wrong. There are no “Wade haters”. It’s a fascinating dynamic in many discussions (not just sports) that everyone thinks they’re only extremes of fans or haters but I digress. There are some, many maybe that thought Wade deserved to be fired because of his actions err “alleged” actions. The fanatics, so desperate for a relevant basketball program (and I’m with them on that,) got over excited with Wade’s early success and took media attacks on him when allegations first came to light as personal attacks, as the “media” not wanting LSU to be good and rallied around him no matter what. It’s unfortunately where we are in our culture. No matter what “your guy” does the support let’s just dig in their heels and deflect and call anyone who disagree “haters”.

I became an LSU fan because of basketball in 1981. I was in the student section for Chris Jackson’s freshman year, for Shaq camped out for UNLV, ULM and Duke games. I want nothing more than to see LSU get back to being a tournament regular. I was excited about Wade but unfortunately his actions made it impossible for o keep him. The good news is he’s not the only decent coach out there. Hopefully the NCAA gets l with whatever it’s going on do and we can move forward. That’s the real enemy, not the AD who is an alumni and who’s job it is to guide a successful department and who’s legacy would only be enhanced by having a successful team in all sports

The last time we had a AD like Woody, Bottom Line Bob. Some of you younger folks might want to look up Bob Broadhead, see who he hired.

As for Woody, he helped stick aTm with Jimbo.

Here's a breakdown of what A&M would pay to fire Fisher at the end of each of these seasons:

• 2022 - $85,950,000
• 2023 - $76,800,000
•2024 - $67.550,000
• 2025 - $58,200,000
• 2026 - $48,750,000
•2027 - $39,200,000
• 2028 - $29.550,000
• 2029 - 19,800,000
• 2030 - $9,950,000

Woody does his job when selecting Coaches. Making the right fit, not an easy job. Folks don’t really know how fortunate we are to have him.