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re: Would Maason Smith had gotten injured on grass?

Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:34 am to
Posted by Luggahead
Member since Nov 2020
1204 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:34 am to
When the place kicker Bill Gramatica tore his ACl celebrating a made field goal it was on grass so it can happen on both.
Posted by WhoDatNC
NC
Member since Dec 2013
13963 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:52 am to
His looked to be more of a freak injury since it wasn't stopping or cutting.
Posted by Damathe
Member since Apr 2020
7092 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:04 pm to
Nah. Would have still been at the LOS where he started.
Posted by BRtoATL
Bogota
Member since Aug 2009
232 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:07 pm to
Don't they put pellets down to make close calls more visible with the pellets moving. I always wonder if sometimes they put too many pellets down. In the SEC championship game against UGA they had a number of injuries on that field. In that game and the one against FSU you could occasionally see players having unexpected slips.
Posted by HoustonTigerNKaty
Member since Aug 2018
870 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:11 pm to
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They used to have a flag football game at the Pro Bowl. It was discontinued after a guy completely wrecked his knee on the beach.


Robert Edwards. That one was garish— there was a discussion at the time of amputation.
Posted by Got Blaze
Youngsville
Member since Dec 2013
9869 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:38 pm to
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I saw OBJ making the argument of the danger of turf fields

Players suffer ACL injuries on grass also (see list below).
The injury is often the result of planting the foot and/or placing weight on the knee joint which the ligament can't support.
Freak injuries happen regardless of field composition.
- Jimmy G @ KC 2021 (pic below where he blew out his knee)
- Jamaal Charles KC RB in 2011 and 2015
- David Bakhtiari GB OL during practice in 2021
- Chris Godwin TB WR vs. NO in 2021


Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19734 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:50 pm to
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Develop some laparoscopic procedure where they replace your acl with a new acl
uh, that's what ACL replacement surgery is now
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made from a medical grade rubber.
I'm sure surgeons have researched what the best material is for an ACL replacement. Now they typically use the patient's patellar tendon. I'd trust the docs to know what the best replacement material is.
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49834 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:52 pm to
With the way it happened, it was more like a ticking time bomb. I don't think the surface mattered
Posted by burke985
UGANDA
Member since Aug 2011
28361 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:54 pm to
Yes he could have but I would bet a million dollars if grass was implemented every where those types of injuries would be significantly less
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41328 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 1:18 pm to
Yes
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61957 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 1:33 pm to
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Nobody knows man. People tear their ACL's on grass all the time as well.



We've had turf long enough to be able to do a definitive analysis.

Obviously, you can blow your ACL on both. It would be interesting to see if there is any significant difference between the two though.

ETA after quick google:

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The rate of ACL injury on artificial surfaces is 1.39 times higher than the injury rate on grass surfaces. Non-contact injuries occurred more frequently on artificial turf surfaces (44.29%) than on natural grass (36.12%).
This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 3:42 pm
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
16180 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:41 pm to
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that's what ACL replacement surgery is now


I think the optimal preventative procedure would be to reinforce the existing ligament not replace it.

The recovery is so long because ligaments, having no blood flow, take forever to firmly attach.

This is just speculative, but some kind of artificial structural reinforcement would be revolutionary across all sports.
Posted by Safety Blitz
The Backfield
Member since May 2022
3366 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 10:13 pm to
Put Marruci on it. He could probably figure it out in no time.
Posted by js1591
Member since Jan 2020
2822 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:42 am to
No. He would not have. Artificial turf sucks.
Posted by Tigermite
Member since Nov 2004
951 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 5:39 am to
I have no idea. But i cant stop think about how much better this defense would be with him. It really bothers me way more than it should
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52002 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 7:24 am to
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The injury is often the result of planting the foot and/or placing weight on the knee joint which the ligament can't support.

You don’t say?
Posted by Tigers4Lyfe
Member since Nov 2010
6322 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 2:11 pm to
If so that's the first I've heard of it. I thought that the pellets were there for a real grass (plush) effect.

Edit: Well here you go. Nothing that I've seen suggest they are put down to allow for close calls to be better seen:

The function of all Infills is three fold. They help stand the fibers upright so that they don't get mashed down. It also acts as a ballast as artificial turf is only secured at the perimeters. Lastly, it protects the backing from UV rays as only the fibers are protected from solar degradation.

In order for the artificial turf to look and feel great, it needs the addition of an infill that will hold the grass blades in an upright position and in provide a feel underfoot that is similar to that of grass.

The rubber pellets allow the structure of the artificial turf remains intact by forcing the synthetic fiber blades to revert to an upright position when pressed down. This means the visual aesthetic remains intact, allowing the turf to look good all the time.

Rubber pellets are spongy and have no sharp edges. They provide a firm, but slightly springy surface, that is particularly suitable for sports. Artificial turf that is infilled with rubber pellets provides an even surface that is consistent across the whole field, which often means better playing conditions than even natural grass can offer.

Advances in artificial technology and progress in the development of rubber pellets, which help the surface behave more like natural grass, have made synthetic grass an increasingly attractive option for sports. The rubber pellet and artificial turf combinations’ ability to cushion falls make it great for public spaces too.

So with the pellets being there I would think there would be some give too albeit not as much as real grass with dirt beneath.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 2:25 pm
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29856 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 3:44 pm to
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You would think they’d figure out that it isn’t worth the risk. I cringe every time I see a lineman lift a WR or RB in the air after a TD. Linemen jumping up in the air celebrating a big play seems just as stupid. As a coach, I’d beg my guys to play smart and try to avoid the silly, self-inflicted, injuries.


its not like he tried to do a backflip and crashed the landing. he jumped...landed

you want players in wheelchairs while they arent playing in games?
Posted by MrWalkingMan
Republic of West Florida
Member since Aug 2010
7943 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:19 pm to
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No idea, but if I were an ortho I’d be trying to come up with some kind of minimally-invasive prophylactic procedure where the ligament can be strengthened so it doesn’t tear at all.
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I was thinking about this too. Develop some laparoscopic procedure where they replace your acl with a new acl made from a medical grade rubber.


You all should stop thinking. Any surgery that attempts to remove or alter the native ligament is going to cause some degree of damage to the supporting structures, whether it's when you go to drill anchoring holes in the bone or punching through the joint capsule.

And what happens when the ACL hypothetically can't tear? The knee just won't bounce back like a rubber band. Some other supporting structure will have to give way (MCL, PCL, musculotendinous structures) or the graft fails or pulls out the anchoring structures and/or sutures

This is science fiction. The most stable, healthy joint is the one that is uncut upon
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 4:26 pm
Posted by tigersmanager
Member since Jun 2010
9213 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:38 pm to
Yes
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