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re: Woodward is loyal to the Dale Brown /Collis Temple group
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:41 am to saturncube21
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:41 am to saturncube21
You’re going to make the Woodtards mad.
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:46 am to saturncube21
It's like when Ole Miss hired Luke. It knew the football program would be a crap show so they got the only coach they could, paid him well, took the losses, and then moved on.
At the time, there probably weren't many coaches we couldn't have gotten without this type of contract. Woodward knew it. So you hire the guy who will come, take your lumps, and then move on.
At the time, there probably weren't many coaches we couldn't have gotten without this type of contract. Woodward knew it. So you hire the guy who will come, take your lumps, and then move on.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:53 am to TJG210
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Also, the lack of take my is overstated, wasn’t his recruiting class ranked in the top 1/2 of the league?
Assuming you mean talent, it's not overstated at all. I don't think basketball recruiting is like football recruiting. McMahon is recruiting guys ranked in the 70s to 90s. Those typically aren't guys who come to college ready to play.
They're 3-4 year guys who have to be developed. Take the 70th-80th recruits in this past class for example, of those 10 guys three of them redshirted, and the other 7 averaged 5.3 pts, 2.2 rbs, and 1 assist a game. And that's with one of them averaging 17, 4, and 4. Without him the others don't even average 3.5 pts per game on average. McMahon's average rank in the SEC in recruiting has been 6th so far, which is ok, but I don't think it's anything to write home about.
I think the main issue, in terms of the talent, is what you expected to have and what you had. You thought you'd have Jalen Reed all season, arguably your best player, and he missed nearly the entire season. You thought you'd have Tyrell Ward, he up and quit and did miss the whole season. The three to four year guys that you have to develop that I spoke about above, that's what those guys were for you, and you didn't have either of them. Then you have his worst class that were your Sophomores this past year. Chest and Mike Williams. That's on McMahons shoulders, but you couldn't really rely on an influx of second year talent either.
That's a long way of saying no the lack of talent isn't overstated, it was a legitimate issue this year. You shouldn't have had to rely on the three Freshman this year, but because of a few different reasons you did, and those guys ended up playing 1600 minutes for you and starting 25 games.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:01 am to prplhze2000
Except we aren’t moving on
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:05 am to CP3forMVP
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Question is CMM/staff capable of actually getting those type of players to sign ?
For me, that's a bigger question than if he could actually coach them once they get here. I think more highly of him as a coach than most do here, but it would take a hell of a recruiting pitch (or check) to get me here if I was a top prospect.
He’s not a good salesman, developer of talent, coach, and I don’t think he’s even that good at evaluating talent. It’s just paying more for incompetence. I’ll give up my close (but not quite) to 7 figure a year income to do no worse than him for a fraction of what he makes.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:44 am to saturncube21
Dale Brown, love him or hate him, built LSU basketball into a relevant program. I lived in Louisiana from the late 70s to the late 80s and that's when the Deaf Dome got its name. And I was there adding to the decibels every game! 
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:14 pm to GumboPot
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Is the theory that Dale Brown was worried about WW eclipsing his LSU basketball legacy valid? Is that why Dale Brown cried to Dick Vital about WW to accelerate WW's firing?
This is what I was told. Apparently Dale is happy that LSU basketball remains mediocre to keep his legacy intact. As long as he and CT are anywhere near the program, we will never have success
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:23 pm to GumboPot
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They don't care about McMahon at all. They cared about WW eclipsing Brown's LSU basketball legacy so they worked behind the scenes to destroy WW at LSU...at least that's the theory.
I have seen some stupid takes on here but this has to be the dumbest of all.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:40 pm to Smokin Joe Dumas
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He’s not a good salesman, developer of talent, coach, and I don’t think he’s even that good at evaluating talent. It’s just paying more for incompetence. I’ll give up my close (but not quite) to 7 figure a year income to do no worse than him for a fraction of what he makes.
I'm not sure I really agree with any of this, to be honest.
I think he has some misses while evaluating talent, but I also think that could be a byproduct of the hand he's playing with.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:41 pm to CP3forMVP
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I think it's considerably smarter to take the chance now and see what he can do with investment rather than hiring a new coach and being in the same position as this year.
Considerably smarter? How?… his team has shown no signs of improvement, he’s shown no ability to get them playing above their expectations. When a business is tanking, you don’t double down and invest in the current structure, you clean house and start over.
It’s not as simple as just handing him a bunch of money and him automatically getting better either. The bigger the embarrassment he puts out there the less donor support you get. It’s the perfect time to capitalize on LSU basketball as a hole right now with the success and attention on women’s bball. Getting both sports excelling will get you the investments in NIL and arenas.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:54 pm to LSUFootballLover
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Dale Brown
Anytime this clown is interviewed on local radio, it’s an immediate channel change.
Me, me, me. All about me.
He tells the same, tired stories. I think we can all tell the story of him going into Shaq’s dorm to wake him up for clsss.
The guy is insufferable.
Whoever the next coach is needs to politely, and publicly tell him to GTFO
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:02 pm to saturncube21
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Woodward is loyal to the Dale Brown /Collis Temple group
I thought the Johnny Jones failure bought us some separation there? Are you saying Scott re-engaged and re-empowered them?
Kinda makes sense now the way Mascona came out all guns blazing in defense of Dale on the court naming.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:02 pm to saturncube21
fricking idiots in here 
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:08 pm to saturncube21
Not so much loyal as being afraid to stand up to the Collis Crew.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:14 pm to saturncube21
We found someone to take Trent Johnson. It’d be great if we can pursue another job for McMahon.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:27 pm to saturncube21
Bone head thing to say. CDB is the only coach since the 80’s to have real excitement and chance in the big dance. He was always one player from a dynasty and turning LSU into must go destination for recruits. We have NEVER been a top tier blue blood program. Maybe some day with the right coaches. Non of hat keeps me from being a fan. Geau Tigers.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:28 pm to saturncube21
Womp Womp
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:52 pm to That LSU Guy
Dale had an ego. Will Wade was a younger vibrant defiant Dale. That ruffled the feathers with coach brown.
Dale is all about Dale. I did not believe that when I was a kid. I secretly wanted coach Brown to be my make believe dad. Yet, as I matured into my 30’s and 40’s, I no longer saw Dale as a virtuous Saint. Dale did not want Wade to gain traction at LSU. Jealousy.
Dale is all about Dale. I did not believe that when I was a kid. I secretly wanted coach Brown to be my make believe dad. Yet, as I matured into my 30’s and 40’s, I no longer saw Dale as a virtuous Saint. Dale did not want Wade to gain traction at LSU. Jealousy.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:56 pm to saturncube21
Why are the people always beating up on Woodward. Can't we ever be satisfied with anything. Sometimes it seems only yo-yos are on the Rant.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 3:13 pm to saturncube21
Why would Woodward be loyal to Dale and Collis?
Dale Brown is no different from any other longtime coach whose time has expired. He is loyal to people he considers his friends and supporters.
Why would he have cared about how many games Will Wade wins? The generation that remembers all the great players Brown had and the wins over Kentucky is growing smaller each year. But Dale doesn't need to remind people about his legacy.
You people have invented a jealousy scenario and keep repeating it without any validation. Dale's main gripe remains with the NCAA, not with Will Wade.
He loves LSU, which is more than you can say about guys like Alleva, Temple, probably Orgeron and half the clowns who post on this board.
Dale Brown is no different from any other longtime coach whose time has expired. He is loyal to people he considers his friends and supporters.
Why would he have cared about how many games Will Wade wins? The generation that remembers all the great players Brown had and the wins over Kentucky is growing smaller each year. But Dale doesn't need to remind people about his legacy.
You people have invented a jealousy scenario and keep repeating it without any validation. Dale's main gripe remains with the NCAA, not with Will Wade.
He loves LSU, which is more than you can say about guys like Alleva, Temple, probably Orgeron and half the clowns who post on this board.
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