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re: Why Is it Hard for LSU to Get A Feature RB?
Posted on 7/26/24 at 5:31 am to Scientific73
Posted on 7/26/24 at 5:31 am to Scientific73
In the NFL and college, a “feature running back” just isn’t a thing anymore. I’m not saying you can throw just anybody back there but Kelly is doing the right thing building the OL. A strong OL and any competent and athletic back will thrive.
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 6:27 am to Scientific73
Harlem Berry isn't considered a feature back out of the 2025 class?
Posted on 7/26/24 at 6:58 am to SulphursFinest
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Kaleb Jackson isn’t good?
If he doesn’t get the lion’s share of carries we frickin riot!!!
Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:38 am to ChatGPT of LA
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Not a good analogy. Dumb basically. Running qbs usually take catches away from feature receivers
Running qb refers to a qb that runs first, instead if throwing. It doesn't means he runs before handing off on a called running play
I love Jayden Daniels but this is silly.
Run / pass ratio
2023: 51.2% run / 48.8% pass
2022: 51.8% run / 48.2% pass
2021: 50.1% run / 49.9% pass
2020: 46.4% run / 53.6% pass
2019: 47.3% run / 52.7% pass
2018: 59.1% run / 40.9% pass
2017: 65.2% run / 34.8% pass
% of run plays from QB
2023: 34.0%
2022: 36.0%
2021: 19.0%
2020: 19.9%
2019: 22.6%
2018: 22.9%
2017: 12.8%
% of run plays from non-QBs (% of total plays)
2023: 66.0% (33.8%)
2022: 64.0% (33.2%)
2021: 81.0% (40.1%)
2020: 80.1% (37.2%)
2019: 77.4% (36.6%)
2018: 77.1% (45.6%)
2017: 87.2% (56.9%)
From 2017-2021 our “receivers” (including everyone who went out on routes, not necessarily only WRs) were targeted 46.4% of the time, on average. From 2022-2023 they were targeted 48.5% of the time. That’s a ~5% increase in receiver utilization.
From 2017-2021 our RBs ran the ball 43.3% of the time, on average. From 2022-2023 they ran the ball 33.5% of the time. That’s a ~23% drop in RB utilization. Even if you throw 2017 out, we still saw RB utilization drop by ~16%.
When QB scrambles become a reliable way to gain chunk yardage, you start seeing more called passes and less called runs. On top of that, you’re going to see designed QB runs (options, QB draws, etc.) when you have a dual threat. All of this shifts rushing production from the RBs to the QB.
I don’t think it’s a bad thing but it’s absolutely true that a running QB will take touches away from the RBs.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:40 am to mdomingue
John Emery jr.
That's the reason. All the talent in the world with all the problems in the world. Who seems to pop up season after season with everyone saying it's 'his' year only to have him get suspended after a few flashes of greatness or a fumble at inopportune times. It feels like we have been doing this Emery thing forever and it's never worked out. I'm not saying it's HIS fault or he's a pos or anything because he always seems like he's going to be THE GUY right up to the point where you need THE GUY and then he's suspended. Some people just have chaotic lives. I hope he can get it all figured out and be successful at life.
That's the reason. All the talent in the world with all the problems in the world. Who seems to pop up season after season with everyone saying it's 'his' year only to have him get suspended after a few flashes of greatness or a fumble at inopportune times. It feels like we have been doing this Emery thing forever and it's never worked out. I'm not saying it's HIS fault or he's a pos or anything because he always seems like he's going to be THE GUY right up to the point where you need THE GUY and then he's suspended. Some people just have chaotic lives. I hope he can get it all figured out and be successful at life.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:47 am to Scientific73
There's no need to have a feature RB any more, you can still do that sure, but we had the best offense in the country last year without any type of feature back because had a dynamic QB.
People will point to teams like Michigan this past year with Blake Corum. Blake Corum averaged only 17 carries a game and averaged just 4.8ypc. That's worse than our Top 6 RBs we had last season (in ypc).
People will point to teams like Michigan this past year with Blake Corum. Blake Corum averaged only 17 carries a game and averaged just 4.8ypc. That's worse than our Top 6 RBs we had last season (in ypc).
This post was edited on 7/26/24 at 7:49 am
Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:49 am to Scientific73
RB just isn't that important in the modern game
Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
I think if Logan Diggs would have remained healthy, he would have had 1,000 yards last season. my two cents
Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:54 am to Scientific73
I believe we have a excellent running back room going into the season.
It's potentially as good as any team in the SEC if our current O-Line stays healthy.
It's potentially as good as any team in the SEC if our current O-Line stays healthy.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:59 am to Scientific73
because it’s hard to be wru and rbu
Posted on 7/26/24 at 8:27 am to Scientific73
Business decisions, go look at nfl salary's. Devin White would be worth half of what he is now. I bet half the kids on defense grew up playing rb at some point in high school.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 8:28 am to Scientific73
Game evolves, go look at NFL Draft how many backs drafted first round since 2019, that’s your answer.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 7:38 am to lostinbr
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2023: 51.2% run / 48.8% pass
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2023: 66.0% (33.8%)
So if a team w running qb, runs 100 plays from scrimmage
51% or running plays....51
66% are running from non qb...30÷
So a feature back could get 80% of those carries...which is 24 touches, not including and passes thrown to him
Plenty to keep any rb happy
Posted on 7/27/24 at 7:57 am to Scientific73
This is all a product of the spread offenses. Less emphasis is put on methodically moving the ball down field and ball control offense. The game has evolved more emphasis is on quick throws, screens WR speed sweeps. It is just where the game has gone.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 7:59 am to ChatGPT of LA
You are grossly overestimating the number of offensive plays that a team runs per game
Posted on 7/27/24 at 9:27 am to timlan2057
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In the NFL and college, a “feature running back” just isn’t a thing anymore.
not sure where "not a thing" started, but that is just blatantly ignorant.
I think you are getting it mixed up with the NFL devaluing the RB through the draft and monetarily, which is significantly different. Which in turn has given opportunities to RB's
Not even sure where to start, other to say that feature backs are everywhere. Like it would be overwhelming to list all the feature back situations to prove your theory to be incorrect.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 5:37 pm to ChatGPT of LA
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So if a team w running qb, runs 100 plays from scrimmage
51% or running plays....51
66% are running from non qb...30÷
So a feature back could get 80% of those carries...which is 24 touches, not including and passes thrown to him
Plenty to keep any rb happy
Sure.. if anyone ran 100 plays per game.
Over here in reality, LSU ran 64.7 offensive plays per game last year. 21.7 plays per game were runs by players other than the QB. If one RB had 80% of those touches (which is also unlikely, but I’ll play along) that would be 17.5 attempts per game.
None of this matters though, because the point I was responding to wasn’t whether any RB could be “happy” in that scheme. I don’t think the total number of touches plays as big a part in RB recruitment nowadays as it used to, for reasons I’ve already laid out in this thread.
I was directly responding to your assertion that “running” QBs don’t take touches away from running backs. It’s just not true.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 5:43 pm to thunderbird1100
Not all yards are equal in effect, and in the "how". This often goes completely overlooked in talks about numbers.
Look at the game Michigan played against Nebraska for just one example. Nothing spectacular as far as the numbers go, but you've got to look at the how to see why that was as good as it was. Nebraska wanted to make it a point of emphasis to play physical defense and stop the run last season. That was a major part of their team identity. At times, they did it well. Michigan went right at them, and beat them at that game. UM grinded them down and dominated them on the ground.
It was physically dominant, even if the stats weren't that great. The how of that makes for a thorough and demoralizing win.
To your first point of a feature back being necessary, no, it's not a need. There are a variety of ways to win.
Look at the game Michigan played against Nebraska for just one example. Nothing spectacular as far as the numbers go, but you've got to look at the how to see why that was as good as it was. Nebraska wanted to make it a point of emphasis to play physical defense and stop the run last season. That was a major part of their team identity. At times, they did it well. Michigan went right at them, and beat them at that game. UM grinded them down and dominated them on the ground.
It was physically dominant, even if the stats weren't that great. The how of that makes for a thorough and demoralizing win.
To your first point of a feature back being necessary, no, it's not a need. There are a variety of ways to win.
Posted on 7/28/24 at 12:08 pm to Teauxler
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The game has moved past a feature RB …
I’d say multiple quality backs with pass catching abilities are more of an asset .
Yes, and can pass block
It’s best for everyone involved
Less injuries and save the legs for the NFL
Posted on 7/28/24 at 12:17 pm to Sampson
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Well we do have the #1 RB in the country committed who is a Louisiana kid. Harlem Berry could be next the Fournette.
You’re right, and it’s impossible to do better than the #1 RB in the nation. Also the injury to John Emery, took what likely would have been our #1 RB out of contention.
As a coach you play to your strengths. Jayden was a 1 in a million. Riding him was a good choice, and ditto to why complain about #1 offense in nation?
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