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re: Why do small schools like Houston have better basketball programs than LSU?
Posted on 3/31/25 at 1:22 pm to Islandboy777
Posted on 3/31/25 at 1:22 pm to Islandboy777
I don't follow the game closely enough to weigh in on most schools, but in the case of UoH, Tilman Fertitta and the HC are probably the difference makers.
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Posted on 3/31/25 at 1:28 pm to Islandboy777
Why do small cities like Los Angeles, Boston, and Chicago have better NBA teams than New Orleans?
Posted on 3/31/25 at 1:42 pm to Y.A. Tittle
A lot of the schools you listed are basketball schools first. That is their football program for better comparison. Houston also has the Fertita money which is heavily invested in their basketball program. Uconn, Vilanova, Just about any school in the northeast has basketball a priority over football. St Johns for example.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 1:53 pm to Islandboy777
In UH's case, Kelvin Sampson and Tilman Fertitta.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 1:55 pm to Islandboy777
a lot of small schools don’t have football teams or have very non competitive ones. Basketball is far and away their #1 sport.
2nd being small doesn’t mean they’re poor. a couple rich boosters go a long way.
2nd being small doesn’t mean they’re poor. a couple rich boosters go a long way.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 2:06 pm to supatigah
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they are a basketball school with a rich history in a big basketball area
That’s a bit overstated. They sucked arse for a LONG time. They even tried hiring Clyde Drexler to pump life back into the program at one point and he made things even worse. Kudos to them for lucking into catching Sampson when he was down.
Their entire success is tied to two head coaches. When you talk “rich history,” it needs to go a little further than just two guys.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 2:11 pm to mcspufftiger7
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St Johns for example.
Also look at how mediocre to bad they’ve been for a long time since Lou Carneseca retired. They also lucked into a bounce-back hire in Rick Pitino.
Catching a proven coach after a fall (firing or probation/show cause) is the best and most reliable way to make a big move in college basketball. Pearl. Sampson. Barnes. Beard. Pitino. Calipari when Memphis hired him back in 2000. Wade may prove to be another very soon. It’s the best way to go if the right guy is available when you are looking.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 2:13 pm to Islandboy777
Big schools that put all of their resources into basketball instead of football. Tradition and history is also less important in basketball, you can have a great team with one draft class and good coaching. Football takes longer to develop players and upperclassmen, so you have better chance getting recruits to nationally recognized program. This means, a basketball coach can coach any school he wants, or, can live wherever he wants. With no ties to either, would you rather live in houston, DC, connecticut, spokane, or Baton Rouge?
Posted on 3/31/25 at 2:58 pm to Islandboy777
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Do they have more money?
yes, lots
Posted on 3/31/25 at 5:07 pm to Islandboy777
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schools like Houston have better basketball programs than LSU?
LSU doesn't have Tillman Fertita's money
Posted on 3/31/25 at 5:10 pm to misey94
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That’s a bit overstated. They sucked arse for a LONG time. They even tried hiring Clyde Drexler to pump life back into the program at one point and he made things even worse. Kudos to them for lucking into catching Sampson when he was down.
Their entire success is tied to two head coaches. When you talk “rich history,” it needs to go a little further than just two guys.
well one of those guys was there for 30 years
they “sucked arse” from ‘93-2004
the school is only 80 years old, their history is pretty rich to me
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Posted on 3/31/25 at 5:58 pm to misey94
quote:that’s just stupid, so what’s North Carolina basketball without Dean Smith or Roy Williams? Duke without coach K? Indiana without Bob Knight? UCLA without Wooden? I just gave you 4 supposedly blue bloods of basketball who wouldn’t meet your criteria of “rich history of basketball.”
Their entire success is tied to two head coaches. When you talk “rich history,” it needs to go a little further than just two guys.
This post was edited on 3/31/25 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 3/31/25 at 6:04 pm to Islandboy777
UH had a tally of almost 45,000 students in 2022, of which about 34,000 were full-time. University of Houston is not small.
This post was edited on 3/31/25 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 3/31/25 at 8:18 pm to Islandboy777
Houston has tons off money and maybe the biggest booster in all of college sports. Plus the best basketball coach.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 10:17 pm to Islandboy777
Basketball teams don't cost much compared to football teams
Posted on 4/1/25 at 4:38 am to Islandboy777
Because schools such as Houston, Gonzaga, many of the Big East schools emphasize basketball. Many of these schools do not play football. LSU has been and will always be about football.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 5:19 am to SouthernInsanity
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Dude you couldn't coach bitty ball.
MM can’t coach it either
Posted on 4/1/25 at 7:16 am to LINOESC
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They don’t have a clown for a coach… nuff said !!
Posted on 4/1/25 at 7:47 am to Islandboy777
Coaching !!!!!!!
Posted on 4/1/25 at 7:53 am to Jim Hopper
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that’s just stupid, so what’s North Carolina basketball without Dean Smith or Roy Williams? Duke without coach K? Indiana without Bob Knight? UCLA without Wooden? I just gave you 4 supposedly blue bloods of basketball who wouldn’t meet your criteria of “rich history of basketball.”
Frank McGuire won a championship at UNC before Dean Smith took the job. They also had been runner-up once before that. Even though he took them to a different level, UNC was already established when he took the job.
Duke wasn’t a consistent power, but they had still been to 4 Final Fours and were runner ups twice, including 2 years before K took the job.
Indiana and UCLA are examples of programs really built around one coach, but most blue bloods like the above and UK and Kansas have had multiple championship-level coaches. Most of these programs also didn’t have literal 30+ year gaps between NCAA Tournament victories, which Houston did.
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