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re: Who took over a worser program?
Posted on 9/8/22 at 3:30 pm to Meauxjeaux
Posted on 9/8/22 at 3:30 pm to Meauxjeaux
Kelly and its not even close...there should not even be an option...
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Posted on 9/8/22 at 3:37 pm to Meauxjeaux
It should be, "Who taked over a worse program?"
Glad to help.
Glad to help.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 3:38 pm to Meauxjeaux
The Answer is C. Dinardo
Posted on 9/8/22 at 3:40 pm to RBWilliams8
Kelly inherited less talent. Dinardo left Saban future pros Rohan, Josh Reed, Dominick Davis, Robert Royal, Bradie James, Jarvis Green, Brandon Winey, LeBrandon Toefield, Norman Lejeune, Ryan Clark, and Louis Williams. It was talent spread out and not terribly heavy at one position.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 3:42 pm to Meauxjeaux
Saban took over a worse program, Kelly took a worse team.
Saban built the foundation for Miles and O, and hopefully Kelly too, to be able to win national titles.
O did such a poor job handling success and managing the roster vacuum that was bound to happen when you have the best CFB team ever, that the team Kelly inherited was in a really bad position.
Saban built the foundation for Miles and O, and hopefully Kelly too, to be able to win national titles.
O did such a poor job handling success and managing the roster vacuum that was bound to happen when you have the best CFB team ever, that the team Kelly inherited was in a really bad position.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 3:46 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Kelley took over worse talent. Saban took over a far worse program.
To say what you have said a different way...
The LSU Brand and infrastructure were in worse shape when Saban started..
The Team and Roster were in the toilet (and therefore in worse shape) when Kelley came onboard...
Posted on 9/8/22 at 3:48 pm to Meauxjeaux
Worser? Hmmm
Depends on how you look at worser. If worser is talent then Saban’s team was slightly worser than Kelly’s. If you mean overall atmosphere surrounding the program then Kelly’s team is worser than Saban’s.
I choose the latter. Kelly’s situation was more worse than Saban’s.
Depends on how you look at worser. If worser is talent then Saban’s team was slightly worser than Kelly’s. If you mean overall atmosphere surrounding the program then Kelly’s team is worser than Saban’s.
I choose the latter. Kelly’s situation was more worse than Saban’s.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 3:49 pm to Meauxjeaux
Dinardo had some good players from his era but the program was absolute shite
I don't think LSU is as talented as people think today. The roster is only talented in a few spots the rest is band-aid talent on it especially depth wise. It's partially why it's so easy to get a top 5 class you can sell instant PT here.
I think BK has it worse tbh despite having better resources than Saban did at the time. It's pretty tough. You could make an argument either way.
I don't think LSU is as talented as people think today. The roster is only talented in a few spots the rest is band-aid talent on it especially depth wise. It's partially why it's so easy to get a top 5 class you can sell instant PT here.
I think BK has it worse tbh despite having better resources than Saban did at the time. It's pretty tough. You could make an argument either way.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 4:23 pm to Meauxjeaux
quote:This is a joke, right?
Which season was the bigger rebuilding job because predecessor?
A) Kelly 2022
B) Saban 2000
LSU began and finished the 1996 through 1997 seasons in or just outside the Top Ten. LSU started the 1998 season in the Top Ten. Dinardo just didn't have enough coordinator talent because LSU did not sufficiently support the football program. Tepper happened. But Dinardo left a stacked cupboard loaded with talent.
Mark Emmert was named Chancellor of LSU in 1999. He hired Saban in November 1999. Emmert had the entire LSU system supporting the football program. Saban did not have to push for anything, he merely had to ask and it was given to him.
Kelly was given a team that 39 players in the Texas Bowl.
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 9/8/22 at 4:39 pm to I-59 Tiger
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In early October of 1998 LSU was in the top ten. In fact,the night Tennessee finally beat then #1 Florida,LSU was ranked higher than the Vols.
Who gives a shite what they were ranked in October? They went 4-7 (2-6) that year and followed it up by going 3-8 (1-7). To put that in context, 3-8 was the second worst record for the program since 1956...43 years!!! And it took beating Arkansas in the finale to avoid equaling the worst record in modern LSU history. Of course, that was after LSU was beaten by a 5-4 Houston team, at home, the week before. You're right, LSU didn't "almost have a mutiny" the year before Saban arrived. That's because no one fricking cared enough to have a mutiny. To say apathy had set into the program would be an understatement.
And since somehow the fact that LSU was ranked in October of 1998, two years before Saban took over, was indicative of some sort of talent level when Saban took over, the 2020 team was in the top 10 early in the season as well. Even THAT 2020 team had a better record than the 1998 and 1999 teams. LSU wasn't totally devoid of talent when Saban arrived in 2000. No one is saying that. But it sure as hell wasn't in great shape, three years removed from the schools 3rd national championship in 20 years and brand recognized throughout college football.
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Now as the Sabanistas still here who will juxtapose any comment that doesn't elevate their hero to diety status, of course 2022 Saban > 2022 Kelly.
No one is trying elevate Saban to deity status or demean Kelly. The question posed by the OP was "Who took over a worser (sic) program? I've just laid out the argument as to why it was Nick Saban in 2000
Posted on 9/8/22 at 4:50 pm to geauxpurple
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am a little older than that. Rock bottonwas in the Curley Hallman era.
DiNardo's last season was the worst. The Hallman era overall was worse though I agree.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 5:05 pm to LSUlefty
I know facilities wise we were down in the Saban start, but the program has always has some National appeal and Dinardo had “brought the magic back” if even just for a few years.
So program, Saban inherited a worse one than Kelly.
So team, Kelly inherited a worse one than Saban.
So program, Saban inherited a worse one than Kelly.
So team, Kelly inherited a worse one than Saban.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 5:20 pm to Meauxjeaux
I think Kelly, because of the gutted roster but this is a tough one. Saban inherited a full team with no identity of how to win, but he also had veterans like Rohan, Booty, Meyers, Robinson, Clark, Booker, Faulk, B.James.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 5:40 pm to LSUlefty
For me the lowest point in my 56 years as a season ticket holder was sitting in Tiger Stadium and watching Spurrier’s Florida team beat us by 50 points. That is the moment I identify as rock bottom.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 6:02 pm to AlwysATgr
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On D, James, Faulk, and Clark would be starting now. Who else?
Brandon Winey (OT), Stephen Peterman (OL), Jarvis Green, Howard Green, Robert Royal- all played in the NFL
Fred Booker could play DB, Tommy Banks could play on any team,
Maybe Kenderick Allen (big DE), Rob Sale (OL), Louis Williams (OL), Brad Smalling ((OL), Muskingam Barnes (DE or T), Byron Dawson (DT)
All were great players on the roster from the year before and would be under Saban. Some were still around for the Natty in 2003.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 6:54 pm to RBWilliams8
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recruiting rankings weren’t really a thing in 2000
Ok
Posted on 9/8/22 at 7:00 pm to Meauxjeaux
Worst? Worser? Try one more time. You might just stumble on the correct word.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 9:09 pm to Meauxjeaux
Saban and it ain’t even close. When he took over as coach, just going to the Outback Bowl seemed like an unreachable goal.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 12:37 am to Smokin Joe Dumas
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Brandon Winey (OT), Stephen Peterman (OL), Jarvis Green, Howard Green, Robert Royal- all played in the NFL
Fred Booker could play DB, Tommy Banks could play on any team,
Maybe Kenderick Allen (big DE), Rob Sale (OL), Louis Williams (OL), Brad Smalling ((OL), Muskingam Barnes (DE or T), Byron Dawson (DT)
All were great players on the roster from the year before and would be under Saban. Some were still around for the Natty in 2003.
Still skirting the question.
Who from the '00 team would be starting on the '22 team? Peterman was a true fr in '00 who started out as a TE or DE or something. He wouldn't be playing OL in '22. Winey was a good OT. I think him and Louis would be starting over Campbell and Wire.
So on offense, Reed, Davis, Royal, Winey, and Williams. Maybe Sale at OG. I liked Banks but there's no FB in our offense.
On D, Clark, James, and Faulk. IMO, that's it.
As someone else noted, even if there will be more players drafted from the '22 starters than the '00 starters, the '00 team didn't have huge gaps at any position set. We have basically a patchwork OL and DB right now.
We have talent now. Just need to find our chemistry especially on OL and DB.
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