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re: Who took over a worser program?
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:03 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:03 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Kelley took over worse talent. Saban took over a far worse program.
It's this. Saban had some good talent from the previous regime. Davey, Josh Reed, Toefield, Davis, Royal, Clark, etc.
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Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:04 pm to Meauxjeaux
Saban
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:05 pm to Meauxjeaux
Saban.
We were 3-8 in 1999 when he took over. Did any of us expect to win 2 SEC Championships and a National Championship within 5 years of his arrival?
LSU was not the brand name it is now. Don't get me wrong, Ed O did some serious damage. I mean We had 39 players in the bowl game.
But we just recovered from the 90s debacle, only to slip back to it in 98 and 99 when Saban took over.
We were 3-8 in 1999 when he took over. Did any of us expect to win 2 SEC Championships and a National Championship within 5 years of his arrival?
LSU was not the brand name it is now. Don't get me wrong, Ed O did some serious damage. I mean We had 39 players in the bowl game.
But we just recovered from the 90s debacle, only to slip back to it in 98 and 99 when Saban took over.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:06 pm to TheTruthPolice
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The only decent players were Davey, James, Faulk, and Reed
These 4 players are all top 3 at their positions in lsu history.
Youre forgetting dominik davis, toefield, robert royal, ryan clark. Saban didnt walk into shite talent
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:07 pm to Meauxjeaux
Its Thursday and I see yall still searching for an excuse for Sunday night.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:07 pm to Meauxjeaux
Saban… our facilities and legacy were not even close to what we are at now.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:09 pm to Meauxjeaux
Saban...and it is not even close. Anyone who says otherwise is just captive of the present or has very little understanding of the state of the LSU program prior to 2000.
LSU was 3-9 (1-7) in 1999; In 1998 LSU was 4-7 (2-6). The program had three, THREE, winning seasons in the 90's. At the time Saban took over losing seasons were the norm, not the exception. The facilities were relatively mundane and the "brand" had very little national notoriety. Yes, Dinardo left behind some decent talent...but I wouldn't say it was significantly more than what is on the current roster (if greater at all).
Kelly takes over a program 3 years removed from its 3rd national championship (4th title game appearance) in the past ~20 years. Only Alabama has won more in that same time period. The LSU "brand" is infinitely more well known nationally than it was in 2000, and LSU is widely considered one of the best programs (not necessarily this particular team) in ALL of college football. To contrast, when Saban arrived in 2000 LSU had only finished in the top 10 TWICE in the prior 30 years. Hell, they'd only finished a season ranked at all two times in the prior 11 years.
Is LSU going to compete for a national championship this season? Of course not. But for ANYONE who was alive in the 80's and 90's they know the state and status of the program as a whole is insanely better than it was in 2000.
Kelly has to rebuild a giant that has stubbled a bit, but has had tremendous success (relative to the rest of college football) for two decades. Saban had to BUILD, not rebuild, a program that most people outside of Louisiana forgot even existed.
LSU was 3-9 (1-7) in 1999; In 1998 LSU was 4-7 (2-6). The program had three, THREE, winning seasons in the 90's. At the time Saban took over losing seasons were the norm, not the exception. The facilities were relatively mundane and the "brand" had very little national notoriety. Yes, Dinardo left behind some decent talent...but I wouldn't say it was significantly more than what is on the current roster (if greater at all).
Kelly takes over a program 3 years removed from its 3rd national championship (4th title game appearance) in the past ~20 years. Only Alabama has won more in that same time period. The LSU "brand" is infinitely more well known nationally than it was in 2000, and LSU is widely considered one of the best programs (not necessarily this particular team) in ALL of college football. To contrast, when Saban arrived in 2000 LSU had only finished in the top 10 TWICE in the prior 30 years. Hell, they'd only finished a season ranked at all two times in the prior 11 years.
Is LSU going to compete for a national championship this season? Of course not. But for ANYONE who was alive in the 80's and 90's they know the state and status of the program as a whole is insanely better than it was in 2000.
Kelly has to rebuild a giant that has stubbled a bit, but has had tremendous success (relative to the rest of college football) for two decades. Saban had to BUILD, not rebuild, a program that most people outside of Louisiana forgot even existed.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:11 pm to Meauxjeaux
*worse
It's kind of a push really.
Both predecessors actually left some good things behind that you could build upon fairly quickly. Dinardo had done wonders for in-state recruiting and had shown you could win at LSU after a pretty bad stretch from Archer and Curley. And he left some good (though young) talent. It wasn't crazy to think we could be bowl eligible in 00 with better coaching and better injury luck.
O also left some talent and of course had success before the wheels came off.
It's kind of a push really.
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because predecessor
Both predecessors actually left some good things behind that you could build upon fairly quickly. Dinardo had done wonders for in-state recruiting and had shown you could win at LSU after a pretty bad stretch from Archer and Curley. And he left some good (though young) talent. It wasn't crazy to think we could be bowl eligible in 00 with better coaching and better injury luck.
O also left some talent and of course had success before the wheels came off.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:11 pm to Meauxjeaux
Saban's roster was a bit more stable because college football 2000 is much different than 2022, but the program is much better in 2022. LSU is a national brand now. Its facilities are tier 1.
The SEC is much more competitive these days, though.
The SEC is much more competitive these days, though.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:11 pm to NOLA1128
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shite, if you can misspell Kelly I’m shocked you didn’t think it was Sabin
Dammit got too many Kell(e)y's in my SOA.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:14 pm to bayou85
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Who took over a worst program?
This doesn't make sense grammatically
Sorry, I struggle dumbing down my Top Tier catholic league descriptions to basically Rummel levels.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:15 pm to Jar_Jar_80
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I say Kelly took over a worse roster, Saban took over a worse program.
this
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:16 pm to Meauxjeaux
Worse*
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:16 pm to Jar_Jar_80
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I say Kelly took over a worse roster, Saban took over a worse program.
Answer
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:18 pm to Meauxjeaux
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Who took over a worst program?
worse
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:20 pm to Rickdaddy4188
This. Kelly inherited a worse roster, Saban took over a weaker program. The LSU brand right now is strong, it’s just in shambles from a roster perspective, but LSU will be back to full strength or close to it within a year or two. Maybe not every position will be loaded, but the majority will be filled with quality players. TE within two years will have Mason Taylor, Mac Markway, and Tayvion Galloway. Compare that to what LSU has had at TE over the last few years and it’s a night and day difference. If they can start stacking quality players like that in multiple classes (especially this year after a top heavy but small 2022 class) LSU will be able to compete with Bama and Georgia again by maybe 23/likely 24 season.
Right now there’s just no depth and everything LSU is doing right now is new. But they’ll get there, just might take a couple seasons.
Right now there’s just no depth and everything LSU is doing right now is new. But they’ll get there, just might take a couple seasons.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:21 pm to RBWilliams8
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remember everyone geeking over bowl games but now people scoff and any non-new years bowl…
I get your point but this is probably an effect of the playoff system instead of the LSU fan base.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:22 pm to Meauxjeaux
If your speaking about roster
A) Kelly and it’s not even close.
A) Kelly and it’s not even close.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:24 pm to WaterLink
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Davey, Josh Reed, Toefield, Davis, Royal, Clark, etc.
Kelly has coached exactly one game at LSU. Who's to say he doesn't have similar talent?
In 1999 Josh Reed was barely a WR (he had 8 catches all season); Davey's "career" was more or less limited to one good game vs. Arkansas in the final game of the season. Toefield didn't even see the field in 1999. Royal had 19 catches all year and 1 TD. Point being, none of those guys (except for probably Ryan Clark) were "stars" at the time Saban took over. So it is entirely possible there are guys on this roster whom we will look back on in a few years and say "Kelly had a really talented roster when he took over in 2022."
LSU was almost an afterthought in college football in 2000. shite, most considered it a minor miracle when Dinardo was able to get good players from LOUISIANA to actually play for LSU. Now, it it considered a "surprise" when a great LA player goes elsewhere.
It is clear some on here only know LSU as a national player and have no perspective whatsoever as to the state of the program prior to 2000.
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