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re: When do you fellas see us winning our next National Championship?
Posted on 10/31/24 at 8:03 am to JimTiger72
Posted on 10/31/24 at 8:03 am to JimTiger72
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Ed Orgeron, a guy with a 9-22 record as HC, came here and won a NC.
BK had as close to Burrow, Chase, and Jefferson as you can get last year and didn't even come close to competing for a championship
This post was edited on 10/31/24 at 8:04 am
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Posted on 10/31/24 at 8:10 am to The Pirate King
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BK had as close to Burrow, Chase, and Jefferson as you can get last year and didn't even come close to competing for a championship
And Matt House. We don’t win in 2019 if House was our DC
Posted on 10/31/24 at 8:12 am to The Pirate King
quote:Captain Caveman had Aranda.quote:BK had as close to Burrow, Chase, and Jefferson as you can get last year and didn't even come close to competing for a championship
Ed Orgeron, a guy with a 9-22 record as HC, came here and won a NC.
Kelly had House.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 8:13 am to The Pirate King
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and didn't even come close to competing for a championship
Nice try, but 2019 also had Aranda as DC not House.
Not to mention all the first round talent we had on defense in 2019 too
Posted on 10/31/24 at 8:15 am to Tunasntigers92
Literally never again.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 8:15 am to Tunasntigers92
Well with the new playoff system and SEC expansion it won’t be anytime soon. Best chance, if I had to guess, would be three years after BK gone.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 8:24 am to Salviati
quote:No one mandated that House be his DC. Kelly made that decision. He choked away the second best offense in school history with potentially the worst defense in history because he couldn’t get the coaching or talent right.
Captain Caveman had Aranda. Kelly had House.
Kelly is a fraud.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 8:39 am to MetArl15
quote:Even Saban has made mistakes in hiring coaches.
No one mandated that House be his DC. Kelly made that decision. He choked away the second best offense in school history with potentially the worst defense in history because he couldn’t get the coaching or talent right.
More importantly, no one can blame Kelly for not having the talent right on defense just two years after inheriting a dumpster fire from Orgeron. Were you seriously expecting a Natty in year 2?
And don't forget, LSU had "the second best offense in school history" because Kelly convinced a kid to transfer to LSU despite the talent dumpster fire and then developed that kid into a Heisman winner.
quote:Kelly took a team from a dumpster fire to the SEC championship in his first year.
Kelly is a fraud.
Kelly followed up that ten-win season with a second ten-win season.
Kelly took a QB out of the transfer portal and coached him into a Heisman winner.
Kelly got the #1 recruit in the country, who is also the #1 QB in the country, to commit to LSU because of his QB development and offensive scheme.
Kelly's recruiting classes are ABSOLUTELY first rate and only improving.
On3 Football Team Recruiting Rankings
2025 LSU 2
2024 LSU 4
2023 LSU 5
2022 LSU 17
Kelly has a better record in his first three years at LSU than Saban had in his first three years at LSU.
Nick Saban
2000 8-4
2001 10-3
2002 8-5
Posted on 10/31/24 at 8:58 am to Salviati
We missed our shot last year and a lot of it falls at his feet with his hires. If the defense was marginally better we have a legit shot. As a side note everyone always points out his misses on hires but not a lot of people actually stress how costly it was.
CEO coach making bad hires is troubling. Isn’t that supposed to be their specialty? Managing the macro?
Next yrs defense will be legit. But will we see the offense go into reverse. I think so if we don’t hit the portal. Two tackles likely gone. Nuss in the air, Lacy likely gone and other WR’s potentially gone as well.
CEO coach making bad hires is troubling. Isn’t that supposed to be their specialty? Managing the macro?
Next yrs defense will be legit. But will we see the offense go into reverse. I think so if we don’t hit the portal. Two tackles likely gone. Nuss in the air, Lacy likely gone and other WR’s potentially gone as well.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 9:05 am to Tunasntigers92
If Kelly loses Bryce, 2045
Posted on 10/31/24 at 9:06 am to JimTiger72
It’s not legos, Brian Kelly’s record plus LSU history doesn’t equal automatic Natty. O won because his coaches had autonomy, something Kelly doesn’t do so it’s not the same even though Kelly is a much better coach.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 9:36 am to JimTiger72
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Nice try, but 2019 also had Aranda as DC not House.
Did Kelly not have his pick of the litter with DC's and settle for an NFL position coach?
Posted on 10/31/24 at 9:38 am to The Pirate King
Did Kelly have first round talent on defense?
Posted on 10/31/24 at 9:42 am to Tunasntigers92
2025, next summer in Omaha
Posted on 10/31/24 at 10:04 am to Tunasntigers92
Not sure. Last year was the year for this cycle.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 10:05 am to Salviati
Saban won the SEC in his second year by beating a far superior Tennessee team. Kelly made the SECCG in his first year and got obliterated. He hasn’t been back and won’t have won the SEC by year three and very doubtfully the NC by year 4.
Saban was 48 when he was hired at LSU. He had not accomplished anything yet in college, but that was quite young for a head coach at the time and he had opportunity to develop. By the time he was 61 (Kelly’s age when hired at LSU), Saban had been a head coach at LSU and Bama where combined he had won 3 SEC championships and 4 national championships. He also had been a DC and head coach in the NFL (with limited success).
Please don’t compare Saban (at LSU or otherwise) to Kelly to prop up the latter.
Saban was 48 when he was hired at LSU. He had not accomplished anything yet in college, but that was quite young for a head coach at the time and he had opportunity to develop. By the time he was 61 (Kelly’s age when hired at LSU), Saban had been a head coach at LSU and Bama where combined he had won 3 SEC championships and 4 national championships. He also had been a DC and head coach in the NFL (with limited success).
Please don’t compare Saban (at LSU or otherwise) to Kelly to prop up the latter.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 10:12 am to LSBoosie
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2025 - Even if Nuss returns, we will be replacing a ton on offense. I just don't see it happening.
2026 - It's hard to win a natty with a first year starting QB.
2027 - Underwood with a year of experience, should have much better defensive talent, could definitely see us being a contender.
I feel like we are back in the Les Miles era with regards to how our chances of winning a Natty are. It seemed like we were never really in balance between Offense, Defense, and maturity of starters every season.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 10:13 am to MetArl15
Can’t compare Saban to anyone else because he’s on a level of his own. What’s weird is people think Kelly is in the same universe but he’s not. He’s a good coach but so was Snyder at K-State and Barry Alvarez at Wisconsin. That’s closer to Kelly than Saban.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 11:39 am to MetArl15
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Please don’t compare Saban (at LSU or otherwise) to Kelly to prop up the latter.
quote:I like how you compare Saban to Kelly. Kelly got LSU to the SECCG twice as quickly as Saban. And Saban was given a fully stocked roster while Kelly took over a dumpster fire.
Saban won the SEC in his second year by beating a far superior Tennessee team. Kelly made the SECCG in his first year and got obliterated.
Advantage Kelly.
quote:II like how you compare Saban to Kelly. Saban got the opportunity to coach at two of the top programs in the country in the premier conference in the country with #1 recruiting classes for a dozen years, and yet he only got 3 SEC championships. Kelly had to recruit under severe academic restrictions for many years and much lower ranked recruiting classes and he still took his teams to national championship games multiple times. In fact, Kelly won a national championship before Saban did.
Saban was 48 when he was hired at LSU. He had not accomplished anything yet in college, but that was quite young for a head coach at the time and he had opportunity to develop. By the time he was 61 (Kelly’s age when hired at LSU), Saban had been a head coach at LSU and Bama where combined he had won 3 SEC championships and 4 national championships. He also had been a DC and head coach in the NFL (with limited success).
Advantage Kelly.
And here we are with Kelly having a significantly better record at LSU than Saban during each of their first three years.
Advantage Kelly.
Can you remind me when Saban had the #1 Recruit and QB committed to LSU?
Advantage Kelly.
This post was edited on 10/31/24 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 10/31/24 at 11:57 am to JimTiger72
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Ed Orgeron, a guy with a 9-22 record as HC, came here and won a NC.
I think the guy with a 310-106-2 record is capable
I disagree, the guy with 31 games under his belt hadn't proven he couldn't, the guy with 418 games under his belt certainly has!
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