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re: What does the mean? NCAA: LSU infractions case will be resolved through the IARP
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:30 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:30 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Means the NCAA could not accumulate enough evidence that it is allowed to use against LSU under NCAA bylaws to support a Notice of Allegations, so it is punting to the independent panel in an attempt to save face from a PR standpoint.
This is a good sign for the good guys.
This is a good sign for the good guys.
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:31 pm to NoGeaux
OLOL issue may result in vacating some wins if it was determined payments were made while Vadal was playing.
Some of the payments were after Vadal was finished with his LSU career and the ones to Davey was way after his career was over.
The Beckham payments won't amount to anything as that money was returned by players and I think only one or two were players that still had eligibility.
The basketball issue is only due to a phone call wiretap with no other proof of anything.
Some of the payments were after Vadal was finished with his LSU career and the ones to Davey was way after his career was over.
The Beckham payments won't amount to anything as that money was returned by players and I think only one or two were players that still had eligibility.
The basketball issue is only due to a phone call wiretap with no other proof of anything.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:56 pm to TBoy@LSU
The NCAA isn't stupid. They know that the way to get to Will Wade is to take LSU football with him.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 1:00 pm to TchPowDog
I had one of those , I broke my ankle in the bathtub = infraction
Posted on 9/23/20 at 1:01 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
The target is Wade and just like the corrupt NCAA did with Lester Earl to get Dale Brown they are targeting LSU football to get to Wade who is the big fish they want fried in this.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 1:06 pm to Geaux_Tigers_08
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Geaux_Tigers_08
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The NCAA has dragged this out over multiple years and it seems like they might bring the hammer down on both programs.
Dellenger is a sports writer and reports what is told to him by sources. Basketball does seem to be more serious and potential getting the hammer however to group football into a hammer being brought down on the program does seem dramatic.
I know you are repeating what Dellenger is writing but he is a reporter that is reporting news, news does not have to be accurate and only what someone has said.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 1:13 pm to Oscar Martinez
Didn’t ol’ boy from OLOL give money to some players parents? Not saying he did it but put a bad look on football team
Posted on 9/23/20 at 1:13 pm to LCTFAN
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Dellenger is a sports writer and reports what is told to him by sources.
Delly is a good writer and was great when he covered LSU but since going national, he has come to see Pat Forde as a mentor and the two of them have shown zero interest in writing about both sides of the "should college football be played" dilemma. They don't think football should be played and they are gonna spin every story to say it.
They have resorted to name calling such as the "stubborn 6", they have written multiple articles about why the SEC shouldn't play without speaking to a single SEC doctor who is advising the decisions, and they both constantly tweet snarky things cuz they don't like the backlash for being contrarian dicks.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 1:30 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Delly has come to see Pat Forde as a mentor
He is not alone.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 1:33 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
File under “not good”. See Kansas situation for precedent.
Basically, thanks to LSU’s decision to retain Wade after he had been notoriously non-compliant (despite being implicated on-tape and by association with the crooked agent that was on that same tape)... the NCAA has moved away from charging basketball + thrown all these charges against the athletic department for a more serious “general lack of compliance” case instead.
They’re aggravated with Wade’s dance — it all comes back around to him. Best case scenario, LSU finds something to throw him under the bus before that committee does... and then football is business-as-usual with respect to those previously informally settled-up issues.
Worst case scenario, they level tier I violations against the athletic department for loss of control over compliance & we get postseason bans + scholly sanctions.
It will probably play out somewhere in between, but I don’t like this development. I’d gladly sellout Wade/basketball to protect what Orgeron is building — for a multitude of reasons spanning from financial to story/integrity to what the respective programs have meant to the state culturally.
I know a lot of you will hate this take, but I’m just looking at the basketball situation objectively + what has now been placed on the table.
Not worth the risk just to protect a guy who wouldn’t even throw our own athletic dept admins a bone (see: why Wade was sidelined by the university for postseason last year).
Basically, thanks to LSU’s decision to retain Wade after he had been notoriously non-compliant (despite being implicated on-tape and by association with the crooked agent that was on that same tape)... the NCAA has moved away from charging basketball + thrown all these charges against the athletic department for a more serious “general lack of compliance” case instead.
They’re aggravated with Wade’s dance — it all comes back around to him. Best case scenario, LSU finds something to throw him under the bus before that committee does... and then football is business-as-usual with respect to those previously informally settled-up issues.
Worst case scenario, they level tier I violations against the athletic department for loss of control over compliance & we get postseason bans + scholly sanctions.
It will probably play out somewhere in between, but I don’t like this development. I’d gladly sellout Wade/basketball to protect what Orgeron is building — for a multitude of reasons spanning from financial to story/integrity to what the respective programs have meant to the state culturally.
I know a lot of you will hate this take, but I’m just looking at the basketball situation objectively + what has now been placed on the table.
Not worth the risk just to protect a guy who wouldn’t even throw our own athletic dept admins a bone (see: why Wade was sidelined by the university for postseason last year).
This post was edited on 9/23/20 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 9/23/20 at 1:35 pm to DeathByTossDive225
We’ll know more once they rule on Kansas and Memphis, both of whom are ahead of LSU in the committee’s pecking order.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 1:42 pm to tigerfan88
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We’ll know more once they rule on Kansas and Memphis, both of whom are ahead of LSU in the committee’s pecking order
Fingers crossed
The real screwed up irony in all of this is that there is much more evidence and weight behind the football-related charges BECAUSE of Orgeron & co’s compliance and cooperation.
The basketball charges are way more devious and actually implicate active program staff, but any evidence of it is being hidden/protected. NCAA would have never gone after football if they didn’t want to get Wade so bad, so this is the route they’re taking — I mean, Orgeron’s administration doesn’t have sh*t to do with rogue boosters embezzling children’s hospitals or former players with evolving attention issues. This is really upsetting IMO.
This post was edited on 9/23/20 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 9/23/20 at 2:15 pm to DeathByTossDive225
The NCAA laid off the bulk of their staff. I think this is a simple as the internal resources are not available to complete the investigation and hearing process, so they punted to the third party. If they review the same information as the NCAA had, I don’t see anything happening to LSU. Now, if there is a smoking gun or proof that we have not seen you can book it that the hammer will drop. There has been so much media hype about the Wade case, NCAA only saves face by bumping it to the third party. If they had it, they would have charged Wade 6 or more months ago. You can book it. I agree that football is just a tactic to gain leverage , but it all comes to down a smoking gun against Wade. If there is none, minor penalty to football, if any, for the old OLOL criminal acts.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 2:27 pm to bubbz
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Keep in mind Kansas has had an open case going with the IARP since summer of 2019
Kansas wasn't referred to the IARP until this summer (2020). KU most likely won't hear a response until the spring of 2021, and no one knows what the process is. LINK
This has generally been seen as a positive as the IARP isn't going to do any additional digging into the schools. It becomes more of a legal-based trial between the NCAA and the schools. It takes away the NCAA's role as the judge, jury, and executioner, and the hope from the universities' perspective is that the NCAA will have a higher burden of proof.
The majority of panel members have some sort of sports background, but are founded on the legal side of things. Here is the list of panel members. Only five will be chosen to review each case.
Like many people have said, no one knows the full response from the IARP, but it sounds like it's a more positive step for the schools. LSU's case probably won't be decided until late next spring or summer.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 2:31 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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File under “not good”. See Kansas situation for precedent.
There is no precedent. The IARP has literally never made a decision. It's a brand new process. More than anything else, this process allows the NCAA to get out of the investigating/infractions business to some extent. It also helps shield then from allegations of inequitable treatment among schools
The press release from the NCAA is one paragraph. It doesn't say one way or the other if this is strictly involving basketball or if football is also involved. It's all "confidential".
NO ONE can say whether this development is good or bad for LSU/Wade because THERE IS NO PRECEDENT for it.
This is an article from a law professor and expert on sports law outlining the Memphis case. It should give a bit of insight as to the potential handling of the LSU case
LINK
That aside, let's contrast the three schools and the allegations against them.
Memphis: There is no dispute Penny paid Wiseman "moving expense" to come from Nashville to Memphis when Penny was a High School HC. The question is whether those payments were considered payments of a "Memphis booster" (Penny) that were meant to induce Wiseman to later sign with Memphis.
Kansas: There is no dispute that runners/agents/employee of Adidas arranged for money to paid to Kansas recruits. That evidence was introduced in the Dawkins trial. It happened. There is no dispute money was, in fact, paid.
LSU: All we, the public, know of is the wiretap where Wade is saying he made an offer to Smart. However, there still seems to be nothing to show Smart actually received anything. Of course it is naïve to think he didn't. But unlike Memphis and Kansas where we KNOW money was exchange, that doesn't seem to be the case for LSU.
The media has covered the story breathlessly since it broke in March of 2019. Yet, there has been virtually NOTHING new that has come to light since. Despite all of the digging by the media. It's still a lot of hearsay and innuendo. If/when your case is SOLEY based on testimonial evidence then the credibility of the witnesses becomes a major issue.
The last report we have is:
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the NCAA's enforcement staff said it received information that Wade arranged for, offered or provided impermissible payments, including cash payments, to at least 11 potential recruits or other associated people.
That's the NCAA's allegation. What information? From whom? Is that information credible? Is there corroborating evidence to back up testimony? There are a ton of questions to be resolved and WE, the public, simply don't have enough information to evaluate the allegations. It is entirely possible the NCAA kicked this to the IARP in hopes the committee will be able to find something the NCAA hasn't yet. But remember, there is STILL no subpoena power under the IARP. If people don't want to talk then they don't have to.
If you want something to feel "good" about as an LSU fan, I think there are two things to look at:
1. The media is ALWAYS looking for stories they can sensationalize. Nearly 20 months after the story initially broke the media has found nothing other than the original wiretap. Is there anything else of substance out there?
2. At any point subsequent to the 18-19 season Smart could have gone pro (even if that wasn't in the NBA) and rid himself of this entire pain in the arse. Once he is no longer an amateur the NCAA has no jurisdiction over him whatsoever. Yet, not only did he play all of last season, he's back for this season. Seems like an unnecessary decision for a guy who is "inevitably" going to be ruled ineligible and forbidden from playing.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 2:56 pm to lsufanva
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The football program is being used to try and "prove" lack of institutional control and likey to try to push the athletic department to help with Wade in order to protect the cash cow, football.
If this interpretation is true, Wade will be sacrificed on a purple and gold platter with an apple in his mouth.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 2:59 pm to jbraua
Nothing is going to happen. How many years have we heard this?
Posted on 9/23/20 at 3:00 pm to Oscar Martinez
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Fake news. What has LSU football done you imbecile?
- Vadal Alexander
- OLL
- $180k payment
I don’t know what LSU football has in relation to this shite other than this is the smoke that has been discussed for over a year now.
Get with it Oscar
Posted on 9/23/20 at 3:04 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:That remains to be seen. They have forced LSU to go all in to protect the house now.
The NCAA isn't stupid.
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