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re: What are your goals for the basketball program?

Posted on 3/4/22 at 8:33 am to
Posted by SOL2
Dallas burbs
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 3/4/22 at 8:33 am to
win 25+ games per year
Posted by GeorgeWest
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2013
14983 posts
Posted on 3/4/22 at 8:34 am to
1. Recruit at a high level.

2. Develop players as much as possible in their short time at LSU.

3. Finish in the top 4 of the SEC most years.

4. Make the NCAA Ty every year.
Posted by IM_4_LSU
Savannah, GA
Member since Mar 2014
13456 posts
Posted on 3/4/22 at 8:42 am to
Last year we finished 3rd in the SEC and then finished 2nd in the SEC Tournament. How is that not competing for an SEC Championship?! If Hyatt makes the tip in we literally win the SEC Tournament.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35580 posts
Posted on 3/4/22 at 9:16 am to
Obviously, the ultimate goal is always championships. That said, my hope has long been that the LSU program could develop into one like Florida under Billy Donovan. I'm not alone in that. Wade said the exact same thing when he took the LSU job.

Before Donovan took over Florida was basically just a "football school" in a "football conference" with almost no history of great basketball success other than the unexpected Final Four run in 1994. Hell, LSU had a far greater basketball history than Florida did at that time. Donovan took a program that had won only ONE SEC championship in it's entire history, only played in 3 NCAA Tournaments to date, and turned them into one that would would reach 4 Final Fours, 3 championship games, and win 2 National Championships over the next 20 years.

Donovan was 30 when he was hired by Florida and had only been a HC for two seasons. He was known more for the 1987 Final Four run as a player than as a coach. No one could predict what the Florida program would become. LSU has largely the same resources and challenges Florida had at the time. I'm not saying LSU under Wade WILL become what Florida did under Donovan. But if you are looking for an archetype of what LSU should strive to become, that is it.
Posted by StAugFLTiger
Member since Jan 2022
1505 posts
Posted on 3/4/22 at 9:21 am to
I guess my definition of competing for the sec championship and yours is different. I believe Alabama was 16-2 last year. We were not close to that. I also don't consider winning the sec tournament as winning a sec championship. I'm sure others do. Cheers.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 3/4/22 at 9:31 am to
LSU should compete for SEC titles and make the tournament every year.

quote:

Would you prefer sharper, cleaner basketball but with less talented guys?


talented guys can't play with high IQ and discipline?

quote:

Only reason I ask is I see people who want to fire a top 3 winningest basketball coach in the SEC over the past 5 years over a 1 point loss to top 15 Arkansas team on the road.


this board wanted to fire O after a few games after the best season the program ever had
Posted by mcspufftiger7
Member since Oct 2020
3475 posts
Posted on 3/4/22 at 9:36 am to
I believe with Wade here we will be a tournament team every year just based on the recruiting. Could we miss a year here and there, possibly. SEC championship occasionally and a small to long run in tournament occasionally. That would be the trademark of a successful basketball program and we are pretty much there already. Anyone asking to replace Wade right now is an idiot.
Posted by Jugular Joe
Member since Jan 2020
5625 posts
Posted on 3/4/22 at 9:38 am to
Play basketball as if you're well coached, that's all I ask.
Posted by Pnels08
Member since Jul 2014
10574 posts
Posted on 3/4/22 at 9:38 am to
For the first few seasons I didn't want to get into goals and what I expect. I just want LSU to be fun and get this program headed in the right direction. Which Imo we are regardless of how this season were to end.


But next year probably starts expectations with Wade for me personally, the team should have some really good talent that should be able to fits Wade system.


But I am not a final four or bust guy if you can make some sweet 16s and win a sec championship every so often I think I can ride with whomever that is for a while. Low bar or whatever I just don't give a shite if the team can keep me engaged from November to march for the time being.
Posted by tigerbacon
Arkansas
Member since Aug 2010
4635 posts
Posted on 3/4/22 at 9:44 am to
realistically making the NCAA tournament 2 out of every 4 years would be successful. Wade has made it so we think we should make it every year which shows you how good of a job he is doing. Don't forget the sec got stacked 4-5 years ago so everything he's doing is with the sec being a top basketball conference
Posted by tigahlovah
virginia beach, va
Member since Oct 2009
5013 posts
Posted on 3/4/22 at 10:17 am to
It's very much sarcasm and is exhibit zzz in how RIDICULOUS the argument that college baseball is a major sport sounds.

Look, baseball is popular at LSU. Ray Charles can see that clearly. If Wade stays another few years, and keeps building the program, it will replace baseball as the #2 sport here. It happened before with Dale Brown.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
30746 posts
Posted on 3/4/22 at 10:19 am to
Sweet 16 would be outstanding considering where they started and not having their scorer.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
30746 posts
Posted on 3/4/22 at 10:26 am to
quote:

this board wanted to fire O after a few games after the best season the program ever had

The difference is one can coach and develop players and another was a TERRIBLE HC WITH A TRACK RECORD OF FAILURE. One was hired by Alleva. The other was a Nunez hire that Alleva signed-off on. Alleva was arrogant and a cry baby when it came to O. That’s why he was fired before O and why he screwed up the entire Wade investigation with the best team LSU had over the last several years. That was a run opportunity ALLEVA screwed up that could have propelled the program to the UF level. Instead it was a coward and a bumbling mess of an AD that set the program back. Thanks fully, Wade has overcome that and kept the program at a high level in the SEC. In a season like this one, you CANNOT DISCOUNT THE INJURIES. It has so many similarities to 2006, it is crazy.
Posted by Woodman
Seattle WA
Member since Aug 2009
2418 posts
Posted on 3/4/22 at 10:42 am to
For those who suggest O made the greatest team in history and then attempt to translate the same expectations to this team, who on this basketball team is a Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, CEH, Grant Delpit, etc.? No one. Those are the types of ingredients needed to get to the final four and no amount of talent assures the luck to make the move to NCAa Basketball Champion.
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
35039 posts
Posted on 3/4/22 at 10:43 am to
quote:

LSU has been many times. Florida?
Lol Florida just fired their in football you stupid frick

Florida basketball program has never been successful except a couple of years with Billy Donovan
This post was edited on 3/4/22 at 10:44 am
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
35039 posts
Posted on 3/4/22 at 10:45 am to
quote:

I'll skip 2/3 our of 5 years if the good 2/3 gets us a good team with a legit chance at elite 8 or final 4
Lol the resident board retard back at it.

So his goal is in a 5 year span we can have 2 bad teams but need 2 or 3 teams thay go to the final 4.

Lol can anyone find me a team that's been to the final 4 in 3 of the last 5 years?
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
35039 posts
Posted on 3/4/22 at 10:47 am to
quote:

Baseball is only #2 at LSU for the time being, because it's a consistent winner. Men's basketball will blow it out of the water once we win consistently at it,
Lol
No the frick it won't, baseball is burned into our soul at this point. Even dominant basketball program will not blow lsu baseball out of the water
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
35039 posts
Posted on 3/4/22 at 10:51 am to
quote:

If we’re using your logic, LSU is a woman’s track and field school and we shouldn’t expect much success anywhere else.
He uses real facts and schools and you take what he says and CNN the frick out of it to come up with this?

Goddamn you ate up with it boy. This is how your state smokes Mississippi in shittiest education
Posted by ColdTurkey
Where the Buffalo roam...
Member since Nov 2019
7698 posts
Posted on 3/4/22 at 10:59 am to
quote:

Do you feel like LSU should be a tournament team every few years?

Should lsu be a tournament team with a real contender every year with a run every 4 years?

Tournament team with a contender single year?

Should LSU in your opinion be on the same level as Duke or North Carolina? Which have had some rocky seasons lately. Maybe Gonzaga, should lsu be Gonzaga and go 30-4 every year?

Is it an optics thing? Would you prefer sharper, cleaner basketball but with less talented guys? Essentially build with less talented underclass men for that big run every 3-4 year?

Only reason I ask is I see people who want to fire a top 3 winningest basketball coach in the SEC over the past 5 years over a 1 point loss to top 15 Arkansas team on the road.

That's a tough standard for any coach to live up to and in my lifetime has only been Brady, Johnny Jones and Trent Johnson.

So I'm willing to consider maybe my standards have been lowered by mediocrity. But I remember the national media saying Buzz Williams at Virginia Tech was the best X's and O's coach in the country, better than coach K, yet he struggling in the SEC and Wade hasn't lost to A&M yet (10-0)

So answer realistically with numbers - what is your goal for lsu? Not some ambiguous "I just want high IQ ball"

Also who would replace Wade? It's easy to play Monday morning QB but look around. Who would be better than Wade for us?


Reading this stressed me out so goddamn bad
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6907 posts
Posted on 3/4/22 at 11:01 am to
quote:

Only reason I ask is I see people who want to fire a top 3 winningest basketball coach in the SEC over the past 5 years over a 1 point loss to top 15 Arkansas team on the road.


I'm not one calling for his firing (though I am certainly irked by his in-game coaching), but you know your above statement is not why people want him fired. It's much more than that. They've lost 9 of 14, and aside from one season, seem to go into these kinds of dips every year, along with the lack of sound in-game decisions that I mentioned.

Who could LSU get that would be better? Maybe no one. That's why you don't fire him, unless you know you have someone better. And since it never works out where you have someone lined up, he's not going to be fired unless the program tanks, or the NCAA hits him with some BS sanctions.

But, why do we talk about this every day? What more can be said? You're either for him, or against him, and these threads don't change minds, or open up any new discussion. We're just beating a dead horse.
This post was edited on 3/4/22 at 11:02 am
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