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re: This is the year of McMahon?
Posted on 6/16/24 at 2:38 pm to Ponchy Tiger
Posted on 6/16/24 at 2:38 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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Where do you think the program was when McMahon was hired?
The program Brady took over was moribund and had draconian sanctions. There was no “transfer portal” back then. Brian Beshara transferred from Rice and had to sit out. He cobbled together a roster of DeJuan Collinses, Rhodaria Castons and Chico Potts’s to go with the 2 serviceable players who were left over. Yea McMahon’s situation was not ideal but it was certainly better even with an empty roster. Its much easier (as he’s shown) to completely turn over a roster nowadays.
This post was edited on 6/16/24 at 2:40 pm
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Posted on 6/16/24 at 2:50 pm to S
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The program Brady took over was moribund and had draconian sanctions. There was no “transfer portal” back then. Brian Beshara transferred from Rice and had to sit out. He cobbled together a roster of DeJuan Collinses, Rhodaria Castons and Chico Potts’s to go with the 2 serviceable players who were left over. Yea McMahon’s situation was not ideal but it was certainly better even with an empty roster. Its much easier (as he’s shown) to completely turn over a roster nowadays.
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Posted on 6/16/24 at 5:54 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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Where do you think the program was when Brady was hired?
Similar situation
I agree it was similar in the situation - but given NIL and the transfer portal, I think in the end Brady got the worst of it relatively speaking. Kids seek playing time and now they are almost unfettered in that pursuit. It was not so in 1997,
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:14 pm to S
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you illiterate doylem
yeah bollocks to the doylem tossers
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:31 pm to Tiger Ugly
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I agree it was similar in the situation - but given NIL and the transfer portal, I think in the end Brady got the worst of it relatively speaking. Kids seek playing time and now they are almost unfettered in that pursuit. It was not so in 1997,
Possibly, it is hard to really compare even similar situations that are 20 plus years apart. What I find hilarious is people that attack McMahon for not turning things around immediately because of the transfer portal and NIL. These are the same ppl who blame LSU for not buying players and forcing wade to do it himself. So the boosters haven't changed? I wonder what changed?
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:34 pm to Ponchy Tiger
McMahon has bought some time with this nice recruiting class and transfer haul. There’s no reason we shouldn’t be a near tournament team.
McMahon brought his entire starting five from an NCAA team and kept a few pear players his first year. It was surprising we were THAT bad, also think he managed a top 25 class that year too.
I’ve been hard on him but willing to give him a shot this season. I don’t see any reason we won’t be competitive.
McMahon brought his entire starting five from an NCAA team and kept a few pear players his first year. It was surprising we were THAT bad, also think he managed a top 25 class that year too.
I’ve been hard on him but willing to give him a shot this season. I don’t see any reason we won’t be competitive.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 6:37 am to Ponchy Tiger
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Possibly, it is hard to really compare even similar situations that are 20 plus years apart. What I find hilarious is people that attack McMahon for not turning things around immediately because of the transfer portal and NIL.
I'm more concerned with the relative lack of improvement and development. He's actually done a pretty good job of attracting players according to talent rankings f given the circumstances, for what that is worth. Outside of a small about 3 week window last year where it looked like maybe we were seeing some, there has not been as much as I'd like to see, and we finished pretty poorly.
Hoping he finds a way, I want him to succeed.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 8:10 am to Safety Blitz
Roster certaintly appears to have the talent to make the tourney. It should be tourney or CMM gone this year. Idk if that would actually happen but it definetely should happen
Posted on 6/17/24 at 8:54 am to Ponchy Tiger
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What I find hilarious is people that attack McMahon for not turning things around immediately
This is a strawman argument that you are bringing into this thread to distract from the truth. It doesn't matter how people felt about year 1 or year 2 because we are going into year 3 and by any metrics, 3 years is enough time to put together a competent roster.
Now I do believe that CMM has put together a good roster and that it has the ability to make the tournament. which is why that is my expectation.
It blows my mind that the most avid CMM supporters don't think he is a good enough coavh to make the tournament.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:07 am to ForeverLSU5
If we’re quasi-competitive like last season he’ll get another year but it would be nice to see a little more progress especially w guys like Ward and Reed also going into their third year.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:37 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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It doesn't matter how people felt about year 1 or year 2 because we are going into year 3 and by any metrics, 3 years is enough time to put together a competent roster.
Well, I'll go by what the AD said that year 1 was a throwaway and the real year 1 was last year. Steady progress is the expectation. McMahon did good things with recruiting and the portal this offseason.
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 9:37 am
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:39 am to S
Yep, year two was a pretty decent stepping stone imo, won some big games and looked to be building momentum to next season, then of course in LSU fashion UNT came in and clowned us in the NIT in front of 45 people.
I've said it in a previous thread in nothing has changed. looking for this team to be a top 65 KP team next season, that should put us somewhere on the bubble, do that then year 4 is go time. Going 9-9 b2b years in the SEC would be nice but have got to win some OOC games this season.
Need to get Wake forest on the schedule too!
I've said it in a previous thread in nothing has changed. looking for this team to be a top 65 KP team next season, that should put us somewhere on the bubble, do that then year 4 is go time. Going 9-9 b2b years in the SEC would be nice but have got to win some OOC games this season.
Need to get Wake forest on the schedule too!
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:41 am to The Pirate King
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ear 1 was a throwaway
So 2 of our best players that we will rely on aren't from CMM's first recruiting class?
You can say ridiculous stuff if you d like but this is the 3rd year and we made good strides between year 1 and year 2 and added good players to the current roster so I choose to beleive that CMM is a good enough coach to get us into the tournament.
You can go ahead and create all the excuses you want for why you don't actually believe in CMM or our basketball team. I bet if you told Tyrell Ward that you don't think this team will make the tournament he'd punch you in the mouth.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:45 am to JaredJonesSnotRocket
In the modern game of shooting threes alternated by driving and trying to dunk, guards are more valuable than big guys with bad hands who have trouble getting up and down the court and whose idea of good defense is not to foul out. Sure it is nice to have big guys who are good athletes but LSU is not likely to be able to recruit those type of players out of a limited supply.
Look at Reed. He has all the tools but what does he do with them. Not a good finisher, not a good rebounder. Bad decision maker with a lot of turnovers. Like I said, good potential, but is he ever going to reach it?
A roster that looks like a mid major but makes the tournament is okay with me. Let the attacks begin.
Look at Reed. He has all the tools but what does he do with them. Not a good finisher, not a good rebounder. Bad decision maker with a lot of turnovers. Like I said, good potential, but is he ever going to reach it?
A roster that looks like a mid major but makes the tournament is okay with me. Let the attacks begin.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:56 am to Pnels08
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Yep, year two was a pretty decent stepping stone imo, won some big games and looked to be building momentum to next season, then of course in LSU fashion UNT came in and clowned us in the NIT in front of 45 people.
I don't really care about the NIT...good or bad. It is/was largely irrelevant.
First the first time since McMahon has been here the team started to show some competitive life in SEC play last year. It tailed off at the end, but you can't ignore a +7 game improvement.
To the extent that creates momentum into this season is unknown because many of the key pieces who helped earn those 9 SEC wins (Wright, Hannibal, Cook - early on, Baker, Dean) are all gone. With 7 new players LSU is essentially starting fresh with a largely new team. Thus is the nature of college basketball.
There is reason for optimism. But it is really hard to make any definitive predictions now. If Reed and Ward come into their own, the transfers mesh well and become impact guys, and the highly rated 1st/2nd year guys play as such, there is no reason to think LSU couldn't compete in the top half of the SEC. Right now though that is all "ifs" and "potential"
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:23 pm to drizztiger
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I don't know why ya'll even engage with this dude. He's a contrarian. That's his shtick. And he revels in your down votes.
I personally think TPK is too stupid to be intentionally contrarian. LE is more the contrarian imo.
TPK just latches on to a coach and that’s all folks. Everyone has seen it multiple times with him.
But look at who he latches onto. Orgeron over Kelly. McMahon over Wade. Ultra critical of Johnson. I mean,
It's pretty obvious.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:33 pm to The Pirate King
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I'll go by what the AD said that year 1 was a throwaway and the real year 1 was last year.
the AD knows he got rid of a very popular coach and CMM is his hire so of course he's going to embrace the year zero narrative. I'm pulling hard for CMM to succeed, I really am but I have no patience for the year zero rationalizations.
The situation was challenging and not ideal but don't patronize the man. As if saying it over and over makes it so.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 1:02 pm to Lucado
He’s a total berk and virtually everyone except his fellow retard ipod king (something about self anointed “kings” i suppose) knows it
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 6/17/24 at 1:10 pm to Alt26
I am very open about my low basketball iq but I find it remarkable how we manage to do nothing discernibly well under McMahon. It’s difficult to be a contender when you don’t have any strength to rely on.
Is McMahon known to be an offensive coach? Defensive specialist? Pear had a clear strength of bringing a top tier offense every year
Is McMahon known to be an offensive coach? Defensive specialist? Pear had a clear strength of bringing a top tier offense every year
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